blitz hook needs a hitbox rebalance

Otter4Blue··44 votes·4,378 views

i know this is a thing since the casters of lcs even once talked about how blitz hook hitbox is not properly sized. i had enough of walking out of range dadging properly and still getting grabed because of this bull of a hitbox. this ability has the same effect as a nid spear why is it not as hard to hit?

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ThePlasticSpork14 votes

Very few skillshots in the game have hitboxes that matches what you visually see.

Off the top of my head, Thresh Leona Leblanc Morgana Blitzcrank Fizz all have skillshots where you can completely and clearly dodge the projectile you actually see, only to be hit by it anyway. This is especially obvious on LeBlanc, Thresh, Leona, and Blitzcrank, where you can actually visually see the projectile suddenly just change course right as it makes contact with a champion. Sometimes this is so drastic that it looks like the skillshot changes direction by up to 30 degrees, which is just freaking ridiculous.

I understand that not all skillshots need to be nidalee-spear thin. But seriously, at least make it so the visuals match what actually happens.

qetzel5 votes

Actually, Thresh, Leona and Leblanc all have hitboxes that match the visual effects (Blitz is weird on some skins). The problem you are seeing is that the 'hit animation', for want of a better term, has the hook attached to the centre of the model. The hook hits the edge of a champion's hitbox and then changes direction so that it looks like it hits the centre. It is a clarity issue rather than a hitbox issue.

Unfortunately, you can't just make it so that the hook attaches to the point it hits - Leblanc's chain could be broken by turning, for example. It would be even less clear than it is now.

Big Bang Bob2 votes

Ya forgot someone.

Amumu item 3070 item 3070

Takeuchi 174 votes

Chogath's Q also does this. except it doesnt hit lol. you see someone in the circle clearly and its like nah brah

Taryn1 votes

Lol Blitzcrank Morgana Leona are my favorites 'cause you can be making a sandwich and casually smash your face on the keyboard and you'll still hit someone with those skill shots and win your lane.

Silents4298 votes

I don't get it, a lot of people on this forum throws the words "Rework, Rebalance, VU" around a lot and I don't think they know what they mean.

Blitz doesn't need a "hitbox rebalance" he just need the hitbox fixed. Their is no balance involved in this.

BlackRaven5 votes

you realize ammumu has the worst hitbox in the game right? i think there is legit no way to dodge it if its a good ammumu unless you have flash. his shit attaches to you even when you are NO where near it. same goes for lbs chain.

Otter4Blue2 votes

actualy amumu hit box is slightly larger than you would think as with most skill shots however for some champs it is not a little larger forgiving think for leblanc and blitz it is a major distance on skills which are game changing all by themselves.

iainB855 votes

I'm just going to go ahead and say it: Blitzcrank just needs to be reworked entirely.

I know he's one of the earliest champions and his grabbing mechanic has been there forever, but it's honestly dumb. Blitz has had to been crippled in every other area just because of how powerful the hook is.

Rework the hook into something with a better risk/reward ratio, then give more overall power back to Blitz. The best thing Riot could do for this poor robot.

AbodyHUN6661 votes

Yeah but this topic is a can of worms. He is one of the most iconic champion in the game and the hook is one of the most memorable skill. Changing it into something else would cause a huge community outrage, bigger than the Veigar nerfs. As Blizt currently is, you have to keep wards in lane brushes all the time, you need to pick a mobile champion and you need to play with and escape route in mind for the occasional hour long speed boosts that gets him in your face.

Anidan2 votes

My problem is that he has he speed increase at all. Without that, I'd probably be completely fine with Blitz. Not that I have a huge problem with him or anything, he is as he is and has been for years, I have no qualm with it.

If you look at DotA2 (yay, I get to bring up that game again!) you see Pudge, a champion with a similar pull, but rarely complained about - except maybe on a couple forum QQ posts because they didn't ward properly. And I think there are two reasons: 1) Pudge has no built-in gap-closer of any kind. None. At all. He has a pull, why does he need more gap-closing power? Especially since it closes the gap for his team as well 2) Pudge's combo takes longer to do anything with while Blitz does his instantly.

Now, I'm not saying Blitz does or does not need reworked, but a comparison from his inspiration hero (you cannot tell me he was not inspired by Pudge without lying -- and that's perfectly okay) is kinda interesting. It speaks a good deal about how the games are balanced differently.

AbodyHUN6661 votes

At least I'm glad that Riot is remowing the infinite chasing power from champs and not making any more with permaslows and permanent speed buffs. (Yasuo and Kalista need too meet some conditions)

GuiltyGecko1 votes

Probably not going to happen unless Riot hears enough cry from the community. A Rioter already posted about how Blitz does not currently have a reworked planned because they like the spot he is in. I personally find him very frustrating to play against.

Otter4Blue4 votes

even this blitz player agrees with me

A Miss Fortune4 votes

Leblanc's E (her Ethereal Chains) might as well have heat seeking powers. You can hit the skillshot in a totally opposite direction and still manage to stun an enemy. I think that needs to be fixed as well.

As an ADC Main I can understand perfectly how annoying it is to dodge a Blitzcrank grab but still get grabbed resulting in your instadeath due to Blitzcrank's ridiculously high damage for a support. Blitzcrank top/mid is quite possibly even broken and I love seeing it because people underestimate it until Blitzcrank carries, but Blitzcrank is main'ed as a support and one of the reasons why he's so threatening is because all of his abilities have high damage.

Also as Blitzcrank being one of the people I use as a support, I can understand that people can dodge the grab but not actually dodge it when you clearly hit them.

The hitbox/visual is extremely inaccurate.

AbodyHUN6661 votes

If a champ can grab you into his team where you get instakilled, that champ shouldn't be doing half the damage.

Otter4Blue1 votes

The hitbox/visual is extremely inaccurate. that is my issue the visual and hitbox do not match closely enough because the six times it hit me i was visually in the same area or so and the was still grabbed, what im saying is that you cant expect me to remember the size of a hitbox on a champions 1 ability

Ultra Animal2 votes

I agree. and screw your mac

lB2kGRlc8y2 votes

Wait, its easier to hit than a nid spear? No, not by a long shot. The range in itself makes it harder to land, the fact that blitz orients himself towards his hook destination gives a visual cue for where to go to dodge, and its on a 10 second cooldown at its lowest, where hers is 6 sec cd base. I'll agree its hitbox is incorrect, and it has a tendency to grab whatever's directly behind you rather than what you're aiming for, but the nid statement is utter bullshit.

Otter4Blue4 votes

the nid statement is utter bullshit. <

all i mean is that before her rework nid spears had crazy hitboxes that would count a hit when it was obvious there was a miss. that is all im refering to the need to fix this issue as it makes blits unfair

BlackRaven1 votes

meanwhile nidalee. meanwhile ammumu. meanwhile syndra. meanwhile jinx. meanwhile lux. meanwhile elise. meanwhile leona. meanwhile zigggs. meanwhile sejuani.

Bolwinkel2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mZkQpTbF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-03-24T01:31:55.737+0000)

meanwhile nidalee. meanwhile ammumu. meanwhile syndra. meanwhile jinx. meanwhile lux. meanwhile elise. meanwhile leona. meanwhile zigggs. meanwhile sejuani.

meanwhile leblanc.

BlackRaven1 votes

{quoted}

meanwhile leblanc.

i mentioned her after a while. after he mentioned ammumu i brought up leblanc.

KaisadiIIa3 votes

Nidalee has one of the thinnest hitbox in the game. Syndra's E hitbox is almost non-existent (RIOT didn't fixed it, they just said they did, I still can see my spheres going through the enemy Cho'Gath while he spams laugh because he's not stunned). Lux's red line you see before her R "explodes" is not an indicative of the hitbox, but the direction. If you look at it, you'll notice that, after the delay, the red line "explodes" and that explosion is as wide as the hitbox (it's still hard to see because the particle is just a distortion of what's below, like her E, but it's there). Ziggs's Q has a shitty hitbox since they nerfed it. Sejuani is fine.

Abyssphere1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mZkQpTbF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-03-24T01:31:55.737+0000)

meanwhile nidalee. meanwhile ammumu. meanwhile syndra. meanwhile jinx. meanwhile lux. meanwhile elise. meanwhile leona. meanwhile zigggs. meanwhile sejuani.

Lol. Nidalee's spear hitbox is far from being worth complaining about.

Never had problems with Jinx, Syndra, Leona, Ziggs, Sej, Elise or Lux either. Syndra's E hitbox was dumb in the past but not now.

DJ Di01 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mZkQpTbF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-03-24T01:31:55.737+0000)

meanwhile nidalee. meanwhile ammumu. meanwhile syndra. meanwhile jinx. meanwhile lux. meanwhile elise. meanwhile leona. meanwhile zigggs. meanwhile sejuani.

Nidalee's is way better than prerework. Amumu's is bs, completely agree there. (I think his newest skin actually has a big fucking particle to at least show how ridiculus the hitbox is lmao Syndra's got nefed hard and is fine now. Jinx and Lux's are ultimates. Leona's can be annoying sometimes, not as much as Blitz or Thresh's though. Ziggs' got nerfed. Sejuani's ult radius got nerfed long ago.

femmé1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mZkQpTbF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-03-24T01:31:55.737+0000)

meanwhile nidalee. meanwhile ammumu. meanwhile syndra. meanwhile jinx. meanwhile lux. meanwhile elise. meanwhile leona. meanwhile zigggs. meanwhile sejuani.

meanwhile a thread about blitzcrank

nerdydino1 votes

i agree, nerf irelia.

but srsly, fix the hitboxes!

Bolwinkel1 votes

I will agree with this but only after LeBlanc's e hit box is fixed. It's a fucking skinny ass chain but hit box takes up like half the lane.

Uf7Xbbg3gY1 votes

bump

Feathermane1 votes

Which lcs casters? If it was Deficio, Quickshot or Joe Miller, it doesn't count.

Otter4Blue1 votes

i dont remember but i think it was during the balista week

Borbland1 votes

I agree, but in the same time, balance Morgana Thresh hitboxes.

And fix Lux , sometimes the enemy is in the middle in my laser and takes no damage, it's really annoying.

Chaotic Reks1 votes

"dadging"

ßongs1 votes

i agree

Scrimshäw1 votes

yeh I h8 getting grabed after dadging

zlnnnnn1 votes

Blitz hooks feel weird. Sometimes when I hook it will be completely off but somehow latch on. However sometimes when I land a perfectly reasonable hook that appears on the other characters model or sometimes through it doesn't grab them.

BlackRaven1 votes

did i really get downvoted for agreeing with the op? jesus christ do you guys even read what is written or do you just downvote.

Otter4Blue1 votes

you were voted down becaue unlike you we all think amumu q is not that off of a hit box. while it is big it is not visually off.

BlackRaven1 votes

{quoted}

you were voted down becaue unlike you we all think amumu q is not that off of a hit box. while it is big it is not visually off.

notice how the next few comments i said how it was broken. i was adding on the stupid hitboxes by saying "meanwhile" as in, heres another set of champs riot lets run free.

Otter4Blue1 votes

sorry man you were pretty much talking about amumu except a single minor comment on lb which is a repeat of several other comments making yours less interesting and less important so it was voted down. if it makes you feel better i made no vote on your comment

ChaosThief1 votes

He shoots his hand, therefore it is a grab.

... I'm sorry, carry on.

Otter4Blue1 votes

are you commenting on the fact we say hook, because it starts with the phrase hook him in and then continues from there. you know hook line and sincker

ChaosThief1 votes

Fair enough... also sinker, sorry but I just can't stand grammatical errors like that one.

Otter4Blue1 votes

yah i knew it was misspelled but the suggestions were not helpful, so i didn't care

metaworldpeace101 votes

Honestly, Riot just needs to do a roster wide pass on all hitboxes. I feel that if Riot focused on matching the hitbox size with the visual effect, the game would be much more clear and newer players can easily adapt and figure out how to dodge/land skillshots.

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