Tired of Syndra in Worlds

Kewlipo·Oct 7, 2016·40 votes·3,011 views

< Level six Syndra blows up a champ. < Commentators: "WOW THAT DAMAGE! WHAT A GREAT COMBO!"

No. It's not a hard combo. It's a ridiculous 100 to 0 that requires just a bit of practice to pull off.

Nerf please.

67 Comments

ShifuneOct 8, 201638 votes

Another case of "No one compains about this champ until pros play them." Syndra has been this strong forever and no one complained, but low and behold, worlds comes around and "Nerf Syndra."

Syndra has consistently had an average winrate of less than 50% for more than a few patches. She barely broke it in 6.18 (50.12%) and then it dropped back down and was less than 50% for basically every patch before that. Her freaking level 1 Q has less base damage than her auto attacks.

People are getting the illusion that Syndra is OP, but in reality, it's just that none of the currently popular mid laners counter Syndra. It's actually the other way around; Syndra counters most of the currently popular mid laners on the worlds stage. The only thing they've picked against Syndra really at worlds is Vlad and Viktor. Vlad doesn't "beat" Syndra, he is mainly picked because it is hard for Syndra to kill him because he builds Spirit Visage early. Viktor vs Syndra is a skill matchup. If Syndra stuns Viktor, he's dead. If Viktor dodges the stun, he can blow Syndra up. Viktors are running cleanse to give them the advantage in that match up.

None of the champions that beat Syndra are currently popular on the professional stage. That is all it is. It's also the reason you see teams first picking her. They know that none of the top tier mid laners on the worlds stage counter her, so unless a team brings out some niche pick, it is fairly safe to first pick her.

MiraweaveOct 8, 20162 votes

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Another case of "No one compains about this champ until pros play them." Syndra has been this strong forever and no one complained, but low and behold, worlds comes around and "Nerf Syndra."

Syndra has consistently had an average winrate of less than 50% for more than a few patches. She barely broke it in 6.18 (50.12%) and then it dropped back down and was less than 50% for basically every patch before that. Her freaking level 1 Q has less base damage than her auto attacks.

People are getting the illusion that Syndra is OP, but in reality, it's just that none of the currently popular mid laners counter Syndra. It's actually the other way around; Syndra counters most of the currently popular mid laners on the worlds stage. The only thing they've picked against Syndra really at worlds is Vlad and Viktor. Vlad doesn't "beat" Syndra, he is mainly picked because it is hard for Syndra to kill him because he builds Spirit Visage early. Viktor vs Syndra is a skill matchup. If Syndra stuns Viktor, he's dead. If Viktor dodges the stun, he can blow Syndra up. Viktors are running cleanse to give them the advantage in that match up.

None of the champions that beat Syndra are currently popular on the professional stage. That is all it is. It's also the reason you see teams first picking her. They know that none of the top tier mid laners on the worlds stage counter her, so unless a team brings out some niche pick, it is fairly safe to first pick her.

I've been banning her since her buffs after 6.9

Vistha KaiOct 8, 20163 votes

Another case of "No one compains about this champ until pros play them." Syndra has been this strong forever and no one complained, but low and behold, worlds comes around and "Nerf Syndra."

It reminds me how Hecarim was all, but forgotten in Season 3. Then he go NERFED and everybody was reminded he exists, and suddenly became pick-or-ban.

People are getting the illusion that Syndra is OP, but in reality, it's just that none of the currently popular mid laners counter Syndra.

And it's true. If pros were to pick, say, Zed_(like they were doing in the past 2 seasons)_ or Talon, there would be no Syndra.

Actually it's the same as it was in Season 3/4 when LeBlanc was pick-or-ban. Syndra was being picked back then, because not only she provided more utility, but also dumpstered LeBlanc in lane.

WinTheWarOnPantsOct 8, 20162 votes

this is why i hate pro play and don't watch anymore. There are never any real counter picks it's "who are they picking? oh syndra... let me just check my list of lcs approved champs.... annnnd none of the 4 mids counter her.... bummer not like we can pick ANOTHER FREAKING CHAMP LIKE Fizz Velkoz Diana Zed Ahri etc..."

A Dizzy LuluOct 7, 201612 votes

Veigar

cinomenapplebaeOct 7, 201610 votes

yeah but atleast his cc is easy to dodge with a mobile champion, and atleast he has to farm for a 100-0

A Dizzy LuluOct 7, 201620 votes

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yeah but atleast his cc is easy to dodge with a mobile champion, and atleast he has to farm for a 100-0

I play veigar and I can easily confirm that he doesn't need that much farm to 100-0

LitAFOct 8, 20162 votes

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I play veigar and I can easily confirm that he doesn't need that much farm to 100-0

traitor

MunchCrunchLunchOct 8, 20164 votes

veigar ult is point and click. but it sclaes with misisng hp. syndra ult will kill any squhsie from around 70-80% hp. its bullshit.

A Dizzy LuluOct 8, 20163 votes

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veigar ult is point and click. but it sclaes with misisng hp. syndra ult will kill any squhsie from around 70-80% hp. its bullshit.

lmfao ive oneshot people from full with veigars ult despite it being an execute

Deep Terror NamiOct 8, 20162 votes

I'm surprised your FEK avatar isn't a gif D:

https://i.gyazo.com/406864cc7cd03de04486d607fb82d07f.gif

ACENOXOct 8, 20161 votes

what a surprise, i was never oneshoted by veigar's R as a otp jhin player.

SasogwaOct 9, 20161 votes

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lmfao ive oneshot people from full with veigars ult despite it being an execute

Admitting the guy has no MR whatsoever and u penetrate his base MR to 0 ; let's say he is squishy and has 1500 HP (aka Best case scenario ever) you still need 1567 AP

ScoroctOct 8, 20162 votes

Yes. But Syndra's ult barely does anything to tanks with MR while literally anyone in the damn game quivers in fear at 50% hp near a competent veigar.

AbyssphereOct 8, 20162 votes

Is it not easy to dodge Syndra's CC with mobile champions? It has a reasonable delay on it.

PrometheSOct 9, 20162 votes

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Veigar is straight up garbage for competitive. His laning phase is just too exploitable.

Light SovereignMar 8, 20171 votes

its basically whoever can stun who, usually as Syndra i use r then e to make my stun harder to dodge due to the width the spheres cover.

solusteinOct 8, 20165 votes

Please dont nerf syndra, just because some bronze elo rere watched worlds and all of a sudden sees some amazing damage. It actually takes some good positioning, skill shots and guesstimiation to land all of syndras combos. Her ults is her saving graces, its like a reward for actually hitting all your skill shots. Nerfing is never the answer, improve your own skills and find counters before you just bring out the stupid bat that brakes and ruins good champions.

The Yetii RiderOct 8, 20165 votes

100 to 0? She's a burst/pick mage. Working as intended. No nerf needed.

Cosmic WarperOct 8, 20165 votes

She's not overpowered. She's just meta because no other meta mids counter her and her pick potential is high. She has clear weaknesses and falls off lategame.

mason waterOct 8, 20164 votes

she falls of late? how?

Cosmic WarperOct 8, 20163 votes

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she falls of late? how?

If any AD builds maw she's near worthless against them. Downvote me all you want but her burst combo is easily stopped by Maw and any other shields/ zhonyas. If you're not afraid of her burst and more afraid of her stun picks? Build a QSS. She's also immobile and still super squishy late.

http://na.op.gg/champion/syndra/statistics/mid http://champion.gg/champion/Syndra

Unstoppable MonkOct 8, 20163 votes

3 tank composition is hard for yoloqueue Syndras to work against late game with enough gold, because 3/5ths of the team can just tank your ultimate.

MiraweaveOct 8, 20161 votes

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3 tank composition is hard for yoloqueue Syndras to work against late game with enough gold, because 3/5ths of the team can just tank your ultimate.

So then you build item 3116 and save your ult for squishies.

Syndra's lategame is pretty good.

Unstoppable MonkOct 8, 20163 votes

item 3116 isn't some god item that makes you immune to every tank/fighter in the game.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 8, 20164 votes

am tied of syndra in solo queue

R7 FactorOct 8, 20163 votes

i mean Syndra can 100-0 one person but Annie can 100-0 your whole team

MiraweaveOct 8, 20161 votes

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i mean can 100-0 one person but can 100-0 your whole team

Annie doesn't 100-0 a whole team unless she's absurdly fed, and they have to be dumb enough to let a bunch of people get caught by a tibbers.

Syndra's ult does well over half of someone's health at level 6 with a doran's ring and very little setup. Her ult actually one shots people on it's own, from pretty early on in the game.

R7 FactorOct 8, 20161 votes

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Annie doesn't 100-0 a whole team unless she's absurdly fed, and they have to be dumb enough to let a bunch of people get caught by a tibbers.

Syndra's ult does well over half of someone's health at level 6 with a doran's ring and very little setup. Her ult actually one shots people on it's own, from pretty early on in the game.

I'm in bronze, we got the dumb people and someone being absurdly fed covered xD

Vistha KaiOct 8, 20163 votes

Her ult actually one shots people on it's own, from pretty early on in the game.

On it's own, you say?

Minimum Damage: 270 / 405 / 540 (+ 60% AP)

Ri---ight.

RedagaOct 8, 20163 votes

Syndra R requires set up mate. is not just Press R to win as with many other champs R. also it has a casting time. in which you can busted cause Syndra is a a glass cannon

R7 FactorOct 8, 20163 votes

You could also blow her up with an assassin or equally bursty mage Leblanc Lux Zed

chipndip1Oct 8, 20161 votes

Lux loses to Syndra...

R7 FactorOct 8, 20162 votes

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Lux loses to Syndra...

i'm bronze, i don't know these things

chipndip1Oct 9, 20161 votes

I respect the honesty. +1 man.

BisaknospOct 8, 20163 votes

ok riot will nerf her just because YOU dont want to see her anymore

MogarlOct 8, 20162 votes

Syndra isn't so far out of line that she needs to be brutalized with the nerf bat. Having spent a bit of time learning to play her I think the biggest problem is the speed she get's her ult set up to do as much damage as it does. A slight decrease in the damage (5-15) each ball does at earlier ranks of her R is all she really needs.

Full cast list QQ W E R (W is not necessary to hit unless you haven't harassed at all)

I kill people all the time doing this. The part that is stupid is that if I have been landing harass (I max W and throw minions at them) this can kill people and all they really have to react to is me suddenly dropping two balls in front of them and hitting E. Just from having 5(2 balls placed) balls She hits 500 damage targeted nuke with just 50 AP. 1000 health is about average for mages when she can suddenly put out all this damage.

To put into perspective how much damage she is doing with a targeted nuke. Veigar at maximum damage with 100 ap does 500 damage with a first rank ult. Level 9 Veigar is highly unlikely to have acquired 100 ap and has to have you below 1/3 of your health.

LiofaOct 8, 20162 votes

Syndra spams 2000 range stun with the fatness of 2 Morg bindings

finally hits someone

presses rest of buttons

BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH GAWWWWWWWWWWWDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BBIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGPLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYS

invisiblecat1Oct 8, 20161 votes

One thing I wish Riot would remove, is the annoying interaction with her E and Q. I am not talking about her being able to stun/pushback, because that is core, but while an orb is forming, and she used E, once it is full formed, it will be pushed back. Honestly only works like 50% of the time I do it, so it is SO difficult to predict

AbyssphereOct 8, 20161 votes

You just need to time it properly. Once you learn the timing it will never fail.

WyrmbladeOct 8, 20161 votes

Yes, she should be immobile, squishy and unable to burst anyone. Only assassins should be allowed to burst people. Trundle

MiraweaveOct 8, 20161 votes

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Yes, she should be immobile, squishy and unable to burst anyone. Only assassins should be allowed to burst people.

Nobody should be able to 100-0 someone with a single ability as easily as Syndra can.

CasterGilgameshOct 8, 20163 votes

but syndra cant 100-0 anyone with just ult unless she got insanely ahead......she needs to keep up all her orbs or her ult doesnt do much plus she needs to whittle people down if your using ult at the start of a fight without the enemy being low health your doing something wrong