And this is why I'm banning Shaco, Riot. Fuck Shaco.

Dessem·Nov 10, 2016·4 votes·1,797 views

http://i.imgur.com/pJ16IG8.jpg

Granted, he was ahead, and champions who are ahead should kill you. From what I gathered he's weaker now. That's fine. I believe you.

But I don't like Shaco. I didn't like him before the update. I like him even less now that my team has hardly any tools to stop him from blinking up to the ADC invisibly. I like him even less now that even if he does get behind, or builds tank, he can be useful because of his ult's utility. Sometimes I swear I saw his angle but there's no puff visible through fog of war. And I hate how that's the only warning you get Shaco's coming to shiv you from behind.

Honestly, he was already killing me in 1.15s by level 9.

I just don't like Shaco. At all. I did get dominated by one. But I have never had fun fighting a Shaco. Not even a bad Shaco.

13 Comments

hunterspecNov 10, 20162 votes

37-19

DessemNov 10, 20161 votes

Yes, he was ahead. I'm fully cognisant of that, and I don't mean to argue he's unbalanced or needs to be changed again. I do vent that I don't find him fun to play against, and that the screenshot just brought home to me that I'm going to start banning him. At some point, I want to believe that banning a champion that puts you in a sour mood should be valid, especially since it's just a Normal.

I just don't feel safe as an ADC with a Shaco in the game.

VexingRavenNov 10, 20162 votes

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Yes, he was ahead. I'm fully cognisant of that, and I don't mean to argue he's unbalanced or needs to be changed again. I do vent that I don't find him fun to play against, and that the screenshot just brought home to me that I'm going to start banning him. At some point, I want to believe that banning a champion that puts you in a sour mood should be valid, especially since it's just a Normal.

I just don't feel safe as an ADC with a Shaco in the game.

Have you played this game before with a Zed or Rengar or Akali or LeBlanc or Talon when they are fed and you're squishy? Serious question. I've seen way more ridiculous one-shots from all of them than from Shaco.

ZelorxonNov 10, 20162 votes

Oh look, an assassin 2shotted an unpeeled adc... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhh... ~~and they were stomping so even teemo would have achieved the same result with a Q auto~~

Good good, keep crying bronzies, it's time you learn what peel and positioning means, if you won't learn it the easy way you'll learn it the hard way! Shaco

~~Even if that means that i will get oneshotted every time i'll play adc and when i'm a tank the adc will still flash into 4 people to chase a kill on the manaless support.~~

Angry MonsterNov 10, 20161 votes

please go on how a team is supposed to peel against a shaco. OR have great positioning when they can not see the stealth wall hoping no matter what they do.

ZelorxonNov 10, 20161 votes

Map control, having an idea where shaco is and the range of his jump, fighting them when summoners are up, try to bait their summoners or make them waste them, rotations, not getting stomped early game, peel from the support (they even introduced an item just for this purpose -12% damage on your adc, maybe pair it up with an auto given with phantom dancer), peel from the tank, teamfighting so the enemy is forced in a defensive stance, not getting flanked, warding the sides so you can see shaco coming before his stealth, not being a mechanically crippled monkey.

Just did a quick brainstorming without thinking too much about it.

ff4skNov 10, 20161 votes

Granted, he was ahead

Then what are you complaining about? shaco is significantly weaker now thanks to the cries of ADC who don't know how to play the game.

Also, you really wanna call shaco op when you're playing cait? Do you know the definition of irony?

HyperiönNov 10, 20161 votes

AP shaco has always been like that, now it just has even better scalings xD

Colgate GatorNov 10, 20161 votes

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Granted, he was ahead, and-

Ah, well.

Angry MonsterNov 10, 20161 votes

I can understand what you are saying. These stealth/vision changes blow and leave 0 counter play in the hands of player that is behind. It becomes a game where you have no choices left.

MishaXNov 10, 20161 votes

Ok... Look your build, then look Shaco build... enough said! By banshee, Shaco has no void staff yet, he's ahead isn't it normal that an assassin can kill you if he's ahead? No support with you like a janna or so to save you?

Shaco need to be changed again, the new one litteraly suxx. Every Shaco main will tell you the same. But i think that the warding system should be updated too. The new pink ward should be able to locate an invisible character, exactly like the red trinket. Would be the same than if someone touch you with a spell, you become "visible" like a small light or something (don't remember what they said in patch) but you still untargetable, except by AOE or skill shots.

WarpesNov 10, 20161 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Dasdi96Nov 10, 20161 votes

I think rito wants adcs to be exteremely reliant on team protection and less on proper positioning. Which is why they removed tools for adcs to outplay stealth assassins like pink wards.