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Morgana Skill order max? (edit) Support Morgana

FluffyBunnies··2 votes·5,740 views

R, Q, then this is where im confused..... I know that it could be partly based on what is happening in the game, and what champions you're going against but is there any golden rule you follow otherwise? W or E first?

Again obviously if you see the E being a better choice against a heavy ap, or cc team go for that, possibly W if that isnt the case, but is there a golden rule when the enemy team just has an average amount of ap, or maybe under average, and under average amount of CC? Is that the golden rule to max W first?

EDIT: SUPPORT MORGANA

EDIT: Secondary Question, I've noticed on charts/boards that blitz is strong vs morgana, is that because it is hard to pop her e off on blitz's target in time? I feel like that would be a good counter to blitz personally if you have fast reaction time.

EDIT: Third question I thought of. Is it beneficial to build item 3117 early depending on circumstances, then item 3158 later game for larger teamfights?

35 Comments

MrHaZeYo2 votes

Depends on who I'm laning vs.

Blitz I start E just so he can't cheese one of us, otherwise I start Q or W.

Vs the heavy CC champs such as Leo, Thresh, Blitz I max E 1st. Vs the enchanters I usually max Q 1st

I always max W last.

As a mid laner though I start and max W 1st and which way I go next is situational.

FluffyBunnies2 votes

{quoted}

Depends on who I'm laning vs.

Blitz I start E just so he can't cheese one of us, otherwise I start Q or W.

Vs the heavy CC champs such as Leo, Thresh, Blitz I max E 1st. Vs the enchanters I usually max Q 1st

I always max W last.

As a mid laner though I start and max W 1st and which way I go next is situational.

okay I like that idea of maxing E first if their team is heavy CC

MrHaZeYo2 votes

Yep.

rtbf2216514122 votes

Q, W, E... Then goes the Q > R > W > E skill priority.

Your shield is used for anti CC, so just grab 1 point then Q + W combo.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Mid-lane: R>W>Q>E

Support: R>Q>E>W

FluffyBunnies1 votes

{quoted}

Mid-lane: R>W>Q>E

Support: R>Q>E>W

Hey thanks, yeah i forgot to say this is a support based question, awesome answer. Ill fix that in the main post, but i think you answered it

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Morgana/Support?

FluffyBunnies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lp9LeKEm,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-07-09T19:55:02.384+0000)

http://champion.gg/champion/Morgana/Support?

very interesting, thats awesome thanks. It looks like morgana has a very high assist rate compared to other supports? Or maybe im reading that graph wrong

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

she is 7th out of 28 supports in average of asst per game

but overall she has below a 50% win rate

she is very very situational as a pick now

FluffyBunnies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lp9LeKEm,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-07-09T20:01:13.318+0000)

she is 7th out of 28 supports in average of asst per game

but overall she has below a 50% win rate

she is very very situational as a pick now

gotcha, interesting. I just started using her, but i really like her already. I feel like in lower elo she is a very threatening support. Like all skill shot supports, you really have to not be paying attention for a split second to get hit by their cc. I feel like in lower elo maybe she thrives more than higher elo?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

its risk/reward

her W pushes the lane which can be good/bad depending on situation

her Q is an all or nothing and when you miss it you are exposed

her E is good vs hard cc alot of magic burst...

she has to get up close to pull off great ults and she will quickly be the focus of the enemy when you go front like to get an ult...

i think she is best now as defensive /reactionary support

when i play her i like to get item 3116 on her so when you use your W it becomes an aoe slow and makes landing your Q and ULT better

plus the AP/HP is nice but cant rush the item

getting item 2301 or item 3092 is best item 3157 is a must for her ult and getting item 2049 item 2045 makes her other itemization limited cuz you still have to have boots

so you are left with only two item slots for other support items... hence why she is in a bad spot

FluffyBunnies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lp9LeKEm,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-09T20:10:52.321+0000)

its risk/reward

her W pushes the lane which can be good/bad depending on situation

her Q is an all or nothing and when you miss it you are exposed

her E is good vs hard cc alot of magic burst...

she has to get up close to pull off great ults and she will quickly be the focus of the enemy when you go front like to get an ult...

i think she is best now as defensive /reactionary support

when i play her i like to get item 3116 on her so when you use your W it becomes an aoe slow and makes landing your Q and ULT better

plus the AP/HP is nice but cant rush the item

getting item 2301 or item 3092 is best item 3157 is a must for her ult and getting item 2049 item 2045 makes her other itemization limited cuz you still have to have boots

so you are left with only two item slots for other support items... hence why she is in a bad spot

Got it, I actually just threw a boot related question into a third edit on main topic.

I really appreciate all the help you're giving. Right now im maxing support item first, and then rushing zhonya if we have a lead. When would be building item 3116 be a good time?

btw right now ive been building item 3092

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

it kinda depends typically 4th

but other supports just out shine her.

basically you end up playing her as a pseudo mage that is trying to cc and zone with Q ,W,R

best of luck... but i think you will find winning with her difficult due to the current support meta

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

as far as item 1001 its whatever you find needed for game

if vs alot of ad and autos then why get mobis?

everything is situational

FluffyBunnies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lp9LeKEm,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-07-09T20:26:58.401+0000)

as far as item 1001 its whatever you find needed for game

if vs alot of ad and autos then why get mobis?

everything is situational

good point. But what about the idea of changing boots mid/late game? A diamond player once told me there are very few situations where you sell a full item for another unless you are in end game/late. Can boots be an exception in mid game if you have the gold to fix the sell immediatly?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

but as a support you never have the gold resources to really make it cost effective

FluffyBunnies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lp9LeKEm,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-07-09T20:55:35.882+0000)

but as a support you never have the gold resources to really make it cost effective

thats true, so basically i really need to figure out what im going to want early game that will work late game also against the same team. Okay, good information. I was just really curious about that because I've gotten myself into situations where the enemy team had a lot of skillshot cc, so mobi's were great. But then later game i noticed because of my positioning (which i believed was well placed) item 3158 would have been benefiting me and virtually then my team more.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

Leveling W increases mana cost but does not change cooldown, only base damages. E has no mana cost increase, a stronger base shield before breaking, and the cooldown decreases each level.

FluffyBunnies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lp9LeKEm,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-07-09T19:55:44.603+0000)

Leveling W increases mana cost but does not change cooldown, only base damages. E has no mana cost increase, a stronger base shield before breaking, and the cooldown decreases each level.

So it looks like the E is just an all around smarter choice really no matter what is happening.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

as someone who use to main morg support. if you are vs a blitz or someone with a hook like that or hard cc take E at lvl 1 can save you from a cheezy pick

FluffyBunnies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lp9LeKEm,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-07-09T19:59:52.069+0000)

as someone who use to main morg support. if you are vs a blitz or someone with a hook like that or hard cc take E at lvl 1 can save you from a cheezy pick

That makes sense, I feel like its pretty easy to know when someone like a blitz (or even a morgana haha) is going to throw out a hook/root/stun etc. That being said, is she still a weak choice versus a blitzcrank? Or is she truely infact a counter if you properly use your e to its maximum capabilities?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

to me its a skill match up... if you get hooked ur dead... so you gotta make the choice who to shield, you or the adc

you are still squishy as fuk

your E cooldown is high, so i typically run cdr in runes to counter act his 18 second CD on his Q

but then again i can play sona into blitz no problem

its all about positioning and warding (which is the key to support in general )

This Is Your Dad1 votes

The only reason to level W at all is for waveclear. If you are support you do not need waveclear and your w will only piss off your adc.

FluffyBunnies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lp9LeKEm,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2017-07-09T19:59:52.688+0000)

The only reason to level W at all is for waveclear. If you are support you do not need waveclear and your w will only piss off your adc.

Yeah I notice some of them toss a w out where minions are currently standing. Ill be sure to never do that unless I have some amazing reason to do so

This Is Your Dad1 votes

W is actually really good for 2 reasons.

  1. Spell thief procs on w, so you can grab your gold from your support item by hitting them.
  2. Landing a maxed q on an enemy champion ensures that your W does the most damage possible that it can.

Don't max it and the damage to minions will be minimal. Build rylai's for added slow on w. (Just for funsies.

FluffyBunnies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lp9LeKEm,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2017-07-09T20:08:39.537+0000)

W is actually really good for 2 reasons.

  1. Spell thief procs on w, so you can grab your gold from your support item by hitting them.
  2. Landing a maxed q on an enemy champion ensures that your W does the most damage possible that it can.

Don't max it and the damage to minions will be minimal. Build rylai's for added slow on w. (Just for funsies.

I've looked at a lot of possible builds between maxing w, or e first AS SUPPORT. Obviously the maxing W ones are more ap based. Im kind of torn between items to build now that you mention rylais. The slow would obviously be great, because even as they leave the W it might proc one more time before they fully leave the circle. (since its aoe i know it is less of a slow) Still though, seems very viable. I guess maybe that would be good for enemy teams who have really good means of escapes. Giving them a slow as they use their escape skills would possibly allow a short chase if it is safe to due so.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

It also gives you hp, and helps with torment passive, if you're into that. It's not actually used that often, but I like it. Zhonyas is a must. Zhonyas boots support item sightstone leaves you just two item slots, and I think you need the full support item for it's really nice active. If you get magic resist it'd be probably abyssal mask or that veil thing.

FluffyBunnies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lp9LeKEm,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-09T20:15:24.066+0000)

It also gives you hp, and helps with torment passive, if you're into that. It's not actually used that often, but I like it. Zhonyas is a must. Zhonyas boots support item sightstone leaves you just two item slots, and I think you need the full support item for it's really nice active. If you get magic resist it'd be probably abyssal mask or that veil thing.

Yeah i see how zhonya is a must have because if you throw yourself into a fight like that you need a way to not die before your ult goes off.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

I thought you maxed q first.

FluffyBunnies1 votes

{quoted}

I thought you maxed q first.

Well after Q is what i really mean, Like priority of putting points into. I know that when you can Level R, you level it, when you can level Q you level it. But when you have the choice between W, or E

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

depends again

oh so helpful am I. e if I wanna go defensive and keep someone alive and cc free longer and w if I got a lead and want to go aggro and can actually land my shots because it helps her lifesteal? manasteal? with her passive better.

FluffyBunnies1 votes

{quoted}

depends again

oh so helpful am I. e if I wanna go defensive and keep someone alive and cc free longer and w if I got a lead and want to go aggro and can actually land my shots because it helps her lifesteal? manasteal? with her passive better.

Yeah, no one brought that part up yet, that if it seems viable to start doing more dmg to help the team to maybe start going w, and building more AP?

See a big thing that ive heard from many diamond + players is that its rare for a support to need kills. A lot of our kills really in the end can be mistakes and times when we should have allowed someone else to last hit a kill. Maybe in situations where im realising that my adc is struggling or maybe dropping down in ranks and not performing to current standards of elo i should focus on possibly taking last hits to a certain extent just so that kills dont go to waste (they escape for instance when i give my adc a chance to take kills)

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

the most ap I like to take on morg is athene's and liandry's. they're pretty good bang for your buck and you can go support after that assuming the possession of frost queen's.

maybe a morellos if I'm feeling funny.

archerno11 votes

Its not about AP but magic damage in general. If there is no magic damage in enemy team u dont need to max E. Like for example:

Top: Kled Mid: Zed Jungle: Lee Sin ADC: Vayne Support: Janna

In this case u dont need to max E as ammount of Magic damage in enemy team is low.

LadyRenly1 votes

mid:3 points in w or so, max q w e

support: max q, depending on the game state and champs go w/e or e/w

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