Why are team builder queues lengthened for champs in certain lanes?

StViscous·Sep 2, 2015·3 votes·1,336 views

I don't really get it. I mean, why should Fiora top get as short a queue as Yasuo mid but not Fiora mid or Yasuo top, even though they both have fighter as their recommended role? You guys held out for the longest time from this mode because you didn't want to "enforce the meta," yet with this system you are needlessly and superfluously enforcing the meta. It's completely unnecessary, but you designed it that way regardless. I'm confused.

26 Comments

Deep Terror NamiSep 2, 20152 votes

Huh? Your queue isn't based on the champion you pick at all (except for the MMR adjustment); it's based on how open the role you chose is at the moment. Group leaders declining to accept you will obviously increase the time you have to wait, but that is up to the leader and has nothing to do with Riot. Picking something atypical to the meta has a higher chance of getting rejected and therefore results in a higher queue time for them sometimes.

StViscousSep 2, 20151 votes

Which is why I used as example two champions that have the same role, yet different preferred lanes.

Deep Terror NamiSep 2, 20151 votes

You still aren't making any sense. It doesn't matter what champion you use where; what matters is how open that role is and whether the captain accepts you or not.

StViscousSep 2, 20151 votes

Wrong. Go to team builder, choose a role such as support, choose preferred lane, check queue time, then switch lane and see that it goes up. It's not just "role" and availability. It's also based on lane. It's demonstrable in the client itself, so I'm not sure why you're arguing.

RogueWillSep 2, 20151 votes

It says estimated queue. Most of the times you get piecked before or after. In reality the teambuilder find you a team and if teh captain rejects you, you don't get notificated that you were on a team and then teh system tries to get you a new one

StViscousSep 2, 20151 votes

Why the fuck do you people keep bringing up the rejection? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT REJECTION, I'M TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU EVER EVEN ENTER QUEUE. And yes, ESTIMATED QUEUE, why would it change unless Riot is changing your estimated queue in their own system based on your lane choice?

ZmuecatSep 2, 20152 votes

BECAUSE IT AVERAGES THE DAMNED TIME IT TAKES FOR A PERSON TO FUCKING ACCEPTED TO A GOD DAMN GAME.

IF A ZED IN TOP LANE IS SIGNED UP AS A FIGHTER TAKES 31 MINUTES ON AVERAGE, THE DAMNED CLIENT TELLS YOU IT WILL TAKE YOU A WHILE TO GET INTO A GAME. IF A FIORA IN TOP LANE IS SIGNED UP AS A FIGHTER TAKE 5 MINUNTES ON AVERAGE, THE DAMNED CLIENT TELLS YOU IT WILL TAKE YOU A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

It's estimated based on how many times people are rejected and forced to wait longer.

StViscousSep 2, 20151 votes

You're telling me that team after team after team is rejecting Yasuo top, consistently, so much that it lengthens his wait time to long from short. I find that hard to believe.

RogueWillSep 2, 20151 votes

The actual time you wait remains unchanged. How the system calculate the ESTIMATED time is by an average of how many times say champion is taken on say lane taking in account the number of available spots for that role requested. Is basically a graph and take the time out of it. You can go and hit search for team and you will see that both times should be around the same regardless of what the estimated time says.

ZmuecatSep 2, 20152 votes

Riot doesn't enforce the meta in teambuilder, the players do. The reason the time is increased between lanes for the same champions is because team leaders either don't want them there, don't understand why you want to be there, or would rather have something they themselves know works as opposed to an off meta pick.

Riot can't do anything about this unless they limit team captain's ability to deny a person into their team, but you'd probably still see increased time limits for anything considered off meta by anyone in the game that stresses that shit. Unless you're support or jungle/ADC (whichever is taking longer).

StViscousSep 2, 20152 votes

Really? So where in the client does the team leader get to choose which champions you prefer for which lanes? I've never seen that feature.

ZmuecatSep 2, 20152 votes

Well, when you start a team, you pick what type of champions go where. If Zed lists himself as an assassin and a team captain specifies that he wants a figher up there, Zed will never appear as an option for that team leader. If the captain says any role, if Zed queued before Fiora, he will appear there before Fiora, but the captain can say he doesn't want to play with a Zed top.

It's not really a preferred button, it's just up to the captains discretion who plays on his team.

StViscousSep 2, 20152 votes

I meant Yasuo, not Zed. Yasuo and Fiora have the same classification yet Yasuo's estimated queue time is longer for top than mid and Fiora's is shorter for top than mid.

ZmuecatSep 2, 20151 votes

FINE. THE CHAMPION IS STILL NOT ACCEPTED AS OFTEN.

DID YOU READ THAT? DO YOU LIKE CAPS?

I like caps.

StViscousSep 2, 20151 votes

And? What's your point? Are there so few teams that one or two rejections is going to lengthen your wait time that much? I highly doubt it, considering that shortage role wait times are almost immediate.

BeatzBoyFTWSep 2, 20151 votes

Because there were group leaders who rejects a Fiora mid, leaving that Fiora person's queue time to be timed longer. So it's actually the group leader's fault for enforcing the meta, not Riot's.

StViscousSep 2, 20152 votes

I'm not talking about getting rejected. This has nothing to do with that.

BeatzBoyFTWSep 2, 20152 votes

Do you even understand what the heck I mean?

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I don't really get it. I mean, why should Fiora top get as short a queue as Zed mid but not Fiora mid or Zed top, even though they both have fighter as their recommended role?

Let's make a scenario, where this certain someone(let's call him Dude) creates a group in Team Builder, and he makes the following:

Top lane: Any role. Mid lane: Any role.

Guy 1 picks a Fiora Fighter top lane. Guy 2 picks a Fiora Fighter mid lane.

If Guy 1 is now pending on Dude's group page first, Dude accepts, and therefore his queue time seems shorter. If Guy 2 is now pending on Dude's group page first, Dude rejects, and therefore his queue time seems longer, as if Guy 2 hasn't even found a group yet.

And when I said pending, I'm referring to the part where Guy 1 & 2 were like Ahri in this picture: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EZpy49YRcWI/maxresdefault.jpg

And again, like I said. It's the group leader's fault for enforcing the meta, not Riot's.

And when you say the reason why the Fiora top/Zed mid queue time is faster than Fiora mid/Zed top, it's because the group leaders WANTS Fiora top/Zed mid, so he accepts them. Thus, rejects any incoming Fiora mid/Zed top(assuming if this is another group leader's page), making their queue time even longer.

StViscousSep 2, 20152 votes

Good god. You really don't get it, do you? Ok, let's try in all caps:

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GETTING REJECTED.

The client tells you before you even queue what the wait time is. If champion and lane didn't affect wait time, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE WHEN YOU PICK DIFFERENT LANES.

ZmuecatSep 2, 20151 votes

It's based on how often a champion is accepted. I'm sure Riot has a system built in that says "This champion isn't added to teams often in this lane/role, tell people trying to pick this that they will be waiting for a while".

Likewike, if the champion is accepted a lot, the window will update and say "You probably won't wait for long".

StViscousSep 2, 20151 votes

Uh, why would that matter? If you're next in line, then you're next in line. If one team rejects you, then your wait time anything thereafter should be entirely insignificant since you should automatically go to the next team. I'm pretty sure all the teams out there aren't rejecting so many Yasuo tops that it changes his wait time from short to long.

ZmuecatSep 2, 20151 votes

And then the next team may reject you, increasing your wait time. If the champion continues to, on average have a long wait time, the champion will be shown to have a longer wait time in the client when you sign up as X in Y as Z.

It's pretty much math.

StViscousSep 2, 20151 votes

may, again, I highly doubt there are so few teams that one or two rejections is going to take you from short to long.

BeatzBoyFTWSep 2, 20151 votes

It does when nobody wants to see an idiot or an "LCS-wannabe" going Yasuo top or Fiora mid, even when Team Builder promised the Estimated Wait Time is "Very Short". The EWT is always inaccurate. It all depends if the group leader likes/trusts you or not.

Stars ShaperSep 2, 20151 votes

If you refer to the notice about how long are you going to wait (very short, short, long and very long) that's just an eta provided by statistics of same players that queued previously as said champion with that role and position.

If you refer just to wait time it really comes only to the fact that Team Leaders accept you or not when you pop up in their team menu and if there are teams looking for the role you queued for in the position you queued for.

illusydaraSep 2, 20151 votes

It's time to admit you're just trolling. Your question has been answered multiple times. Either you don't understand, or you're mad because you're not getting the answer you want, or you're trolling. Even the people that crank call Loveline admit it when they're called out.