Useless and unplayable Aatrox - part 9999482999

Alytrox··2 votes·539 views

As an Aatrox main, after seeing the http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ipPjj72h-aatroxs-primary-problems-him-having-so-much-untapped-potential thread, i've decided to continue, more as a gameplay point of view. I'm not your "lore" guy, so i will not focus on lore as much as the above thread.

Instead, my target are people who gave up on him, after playing 5 games, and come back opening a thread and saying "Aatrox is useless". First of all, he is nowhere as useless as some of you may think. Second, he is absolutely not, in a weak state. Third, he is not perfect. But which champion is in a perfect state ? And what makes a champion perfect ? _ Here is my story : Started LoL in Oct 2014. Played as one-trick pony Aatrox since then. Reached Plat I in Oct 2015. Top and Jungle.400+ games Now i've started playing on a 2nd account, gone from placements - Silver IV > into Gold IV relatively fast, considering i only play 2-3 games / day. I'm having a 70% winrate with him, 2.63 KDA, while trying some experimental builds in ranked with him, in 56 games._

What made me play Aatrox :

1). No ban/pick contest. Open 24/24. 2). Versatile - can play him both in Jungle and Top lane 3).You always have to give 101% with Aatrox, and always be better than your opponent. This is why i like Aatrox. There is no free-win lane.There is no "just play def" in him. 4). Badass looking 5). Mecha Aatrox skin

What are the causes that makes people think Aatrox is useless / where does his weaknesses come from:

1).Build path / Build in general. In almost every boring guide, you will always get recommended the same build in 99.99% of cases. People are absolutely unaware of the versatility he offers in term of build paths. There are lots of items to choose from, from very generally items like Ravenous Hydra to a more niche like Trinity Force (yes, TF works wonders on him) 2).Different laning playstyles. You must adapt your playstyle do different champions/ scenarios. Unlike high mechanical skilled champions, like Riven for example, or rotative spells champions like Ryze, his kit is pretty simple; What makes the difference between a good/bad Aatrox are little details.When to push / when to freeze lane. When to poke without pushing waves.Sure, it applies to the whole champ pool. But you have to be extremely good with Aatrox around this in order to win/dominate your lane. 3).Team composition You are not Malphite. Don't expect to do well with or against any team composition. There are some matches where you don't belong. Hence why, this is the reason why after 5 games some people will say Aatrox is useless. Because they pick him into a Jax/Gragas/Annie/Morgana/Vayne team comp. 4). Hard when behind... Yes, he is not Garen or Darius who can one shot your carries by pressing one button with one item.But this is one of the important things you need to learn with him. How to manage a game when you are getting behind.I've got games where i was like 0/5/0 in min 10, getting jumped by enemy players before reaching the turret. You have to accept there is nothing more you can do... and hope for some free kills by your opponents or your team will carry your ass. You may say this is his biggest weakness. Useless when behind.While this is true to a degree;I'd look at this issue from another persperctive. I don't hate champions who are useless when behind. I hate champions that are godlike, even when behind (looking at you Malphite ). Aatrox is NOT a safe pick. He says that himself : "Fight and be remembered or die and be forgotten"

**If you check every stats possible, you will see Aatrox seems to be in a balanced state (~52% winrate). There is nowhere near useless/unplayable level in SoloQ.**Not even in high-ELO.

As for playing against Aatrox : This is what makes me think there is something that can be adjusted / reworked in his kit. I remind you, this is not happening everytime. But when it happens, it creates a lot of frustration for the opponent. I'm talking about the "feast/famine". Lots of champions in this game suffer of this syndrome, but Aatrox is on top of that list. Once you're ahead, in the right circumstances, oh boy..... And i'm not talking about 100% hp fights 1v2... i'm talking about those 1v2 with 20% hp scenarios. There is nothing more frustrating than an unpleasant surprise in this game. When you go from "OK, easy kill" to "WTFHSFHREPORTHACK". Or wasting your whole damn mana pool against a smart Aatrox, only later to find out you're going to be manaless and he is at 90% hp back, while pushing all the minions back into your tower. Still, **this happens rarely **unlike other champions. And you still have lots of counters for it (Exectioner's Calling- hello !? - ignite / cc / burst etc.)

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Alytrox1 votes

Just some general tips for Aatrox :

First of all, he has LOTS, LOTS of counters.

Never ever pick Aatrox Top lane into : Extremely hard early / Hard late Pantheon / Irelia / Poppy / Fiora / Quinn / Teemo I mean absolutely never. They have to do 10 mistakes in 1 min to lose the lane. But even when they lose the lane, no matter how fed you are, there will be a point that, when you will do just half mistake and they will kill you.

Hard lanes : Hard early / Extremely hard late Malphite/Trundle/Zac/Ryze/Graves/Rammus Hard to get kills early in these lanes. You need to push lanes/ get advantage level/ try to get an early kill ASAP, or else, the fight will be downhill from there.

Hard lanes v2 easy early / awful late: Easy Early / Extremely hard late Jax/Tryndamere/Nasus/Wukong/Darius/Gangplank Different than the group above, is that early you can easy get a kill with these. But, if you are not sure you can get 1-2 kills before 6, do not try.Again, a downhill fight from there. ** If any player who plays the champions above, are at the same skill level as you : They will win, unless your jungler babysits you.You always have to give 100% with Aatrox, and always be better than your opponent. This is why i like Aatrox.**

Medium lanes / skill matchup: These kind of match-ups are my favourites. Due to the fact that it is a skill matchup. Riven/Gnar/Garen/Renekton/Cho'Gath/Volibear

Easy lanes : Shen/Vladimir/Singed/Maokai/Dr. Mundo. Usually low burst tank, or sustain dmg champions. I recommend after Executioner vs. Vlad/Mundo.

There is absolutely no item build path for Aatrox, although all "generic" guides you will find will say : Botrk/Ravenous/Randuin/SV

FIrst of all, your biggest counter is Burst/CC. Imagine the above build against these two. Lifesteal/Increased healing when you can't even Auto-Attack ? Right... USELESS !!! Skip BotRK if they don't have 3/5 hp stacking tanks, and you are not laning against a HP stacking tank. I can make a tip for every match-up, but it would take me a whole day to write it, so i can recommend you this:

Tiamat early is OP for AA reset. Q + Blood Price W + Tiamat+ AA + E + R + W = 1k hp dmg @ LVL 6. That is in 3 sec. 100% chance to get a kill when they are below 50% hp. In almost all match-ups Start E / Max E for poke.Don't make the same mistake as 90% of my opponents and underrate my maxed E dmg in lane. Poke, poke, poke with E > 50% enemy > Turn Blood Price ON > allin = dead. Look to push lane / get lvl advantage if they don't have good early jungler for ganks (Lee Sin/Nidalee/Elise/Xin Zhao). Else, try to last hit, poke with E/ all-in when possible.

Whenver you are ahead : Ravenous Hydra/Trinity Force/ Swiftness (Alacrity). Absolutely one shot everything, and in TF you will give your team an advantage that their team should have to focus absolutely all CC on you. But only do that when your passive is UP. If you want to play safer, with this build you could still focus their frontline with W Blood Thirst (heal). You will 100% kill that tank before enemy team kills you. That is if all 5 of them will focus you.

Second : Do not play Aatrox if you can't get ahead in lane in 90% of match-ups. Or else, you will come back here, and open a thread asking for a rework, while bashing how useless he is.

You can check my match history for builds :

http://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=Wulffrith

Not that my winrate is 70%, but my KDA is not that impressive (only 2.63). But that KDA is due to the fact that i like to die while taking down their inhibs @ min 15. It's funny to watch a behind top lane trying to hold the lane against super minions without finishing first item.

Alytrox1 votes

I actually try to understand if the people actually read what i write when they downvote.

Guyy Fieri1 votes

My favorite item on him is Guinsoo's Rageblade. While it doesn't grant life steal, this item combined with the new Warlord's Bloodlust will already grant enough life steal to make it through until you actually build life steal. I don't always rush it but I usually will get it at some point. I usually go Guinsoo's, Bork, Spirit Visage then build based on matchups and if I have a lead or not. If I'm behind, I'll usually just throw in some more resistances. If I'm ahead, I will go for a Bloodthirster or even sometimes a Phantom Dancer, as he is a great duelist

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