Patch 6.12

Alytrox·6/8/2016, 7:34:17 AM·50 votes·9,937 views

Xin Zhao Base health increased to 600 from 591.16 Health growth increased to 95 from 87

57% winrate for 125+ games players.

Meanwhile, Aatrox....

But, no, there is absolutely no favouritism among Rioters.

78 Comments

TehNACHO6/8/2016, 7:45:13 AM18 votes

57% winrate for 125+ games players.

You say this like it's abnormal, and is definitely where we should balance our champs.

Orangesilk6/8/2016, 1:33:13 PM8 votes

Aatrox has an extremely binary design actually, quite unhealthy for the game. If he's strong, he's simply overbearing due to outstatting everyone, so they keep him weak as is. This is because Aatrox is a primarily lifesteal champion, his main damage stat affects his healing, this same stat allows him to both outduel tanks and burst ADC's, if he's strong, he's good at everything, and if he's weak, he's weak at everything. Specially since bursting him down is a pain due to one of the least interactive passives in the game.

Aatrox desperately needs a rework, and until then, he's kept weak, a la old:

Poppy Sion Gangplank

Sightless666/8/2016, 10:18:16 AM7 votes

57% winrate for 125+ games players.

That's a very normal winrate on the least important winrate statistic. There are so few players who have 125+ games who play him on a patch-to-patch basis that this statistic has no reliability. It varies patch to patch. Using it as the be-all end-all argument for Xin not needing a buff is not very compelling.

When I look at Xin's stats, I see how he's sitting around a 48% winrate for everyone except the 125+ players. 48% is mediocre, particularly for a very straightforward and easy champion, and especially for players with more than 50 games. He has no presence in the game at any elo. Xin is a legitimately terrible champion. He needs help, badly.

Meanwhile, Aatrox....

This is completely unrelated to Xin in any way. Xin getting help that he needs has nothing to do with Aatrox.

Aatrox's poor balance state has been acknowledged numerous times. However, his design is fucked six ways to Sunday, and he really, really needs more comprehensive changes than simple buffs. There is a good argument that Riot should be placing a higher priority on changes or a rework for him, and I could probably get on board with that, but that's not the point you made. You started by arguing that Xin didn't need help, and that's just patently false right now.

saskuatzdad6/8/2016, 6:06:16 PM6 votes

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Xin Zhao Base health increased to 600 from 591.16 Health growth increased to 95 from 87

57% winrate for 125+ games players.

Meanwhile, Aatrox....

But, no, there is absolutely no favouritism among Rioters.

That 57% winrate for 125+ games is from 2014-2015, also he didn't even break 50% UNTIL you had 125+ games at that time.

He is currently sitting at 2% playrate in plat+ with a 42% winrate top and a 49% winrate jungle.

Next time you make a thread complaining about riot favoritism don't just bring in one bullshit outdated statistic to prove your point.

ZeeWolfZ6/8/2016, 6:59:55 PM3 votes

STOP BUFFING XHIN ZHAO!

HaloDragonX6/8/2016, 4:59:36 PM3 votes

Because Riot like to pretend Aatrox doesn't exist

Twitch Chat6/8/2016, 8:41:14 AM3 votes

They forced him into a shitty on hit cheese build and then removed the build. He's basically a free loss right now and people still make crying threads like this when he gets a minor hp buff lmao.

Wyrmblade6/8/2016, 6:49:34 PM2 votes

Aatrox isn't important enough to be worked on and isn't good enough to be played. Shit just breaks my heart.

Mobius6/8/2016, 12:36:40 PM2 votes

{quoted}

Xin Zhao Base health increased to 600 from 591.16 Health growth increased to 95 from 87

57% winrate for 125+ games players.

Meanwhile, Aatrox....

But, no, there is absolutely no favouritism among Rioters.

It's not favouritism, they just don't know what to do about Aatrox atm, so instead of buffing his current kit that can potentially be broken, they just keep him frozen in time and maybe work on a rework behind the scenes. I know it's hard to accept that, but that's probably what's going on atm.

SlayerYourMom6/9/2016, 4:34:07 AM2 votes

http://na.op.gg/champion/xinzhao/statistics/jungle

Xin Zhao winrate is not 57% . Riot cant focus on every tier and balance fairly since every tier plays champs differently better and worse. so they focus they higher tier . and he has a 49.25% winrate among the top 12% summoner 13

The Yetii Rider6/8/2016, 3:32:27 PM2 votes

Aatrox definitely needs to be looked at, but I think buffing his base stats isn't the answer. (His poor base stats are what keep him from being an excellent jungler)

Aatrox is at a weird point, like old Sona and Soraka were, where the champion is definitely on the cusp of being playable, but if he gets even the slightest buff people will start playing him again and that will completely destroy the meta. Aatrox is a champion that demands the enemy team build around him, just like Mundo. Sustain tanks are not interactive, and Riot is trying to promote interactivity. Xin Zhao's healing is based on his AD, which means he's going to be naturally squishier than Aatrox, who has healing based on both AD and health.

I imagine Aatrox will be receiving a mini-rework when the diver update comes, which is probably going to be after the end of year assassin update. Hopefully Riot scraps his passive entirely like they did with Zyra, then they can actually give him some power elsewhere in his kit.

Aatrox got buffed back in 5.11 with a pretty huge drop to his passive cooldown in the late game. Some base health isn't anywhere close to having a major ability up a full 75 seconds sooner.

Quepha6/8/2016, 3:36:15 PM2 votes

I'm pretty sure all the changes to Fizz and Xin Zhao are experimental and not even planned to ship in 6.12.

Fizz is an Assassin and Xin Zhao is a Diver, and I think Riot is just testing the waters with different changes to them to see how much value they could get out of doing the next class update on assassins vs. divers.

LichKing2346/9/2016, 4:47:51 PM1 votes

a fellow aatrox main i see but yeah nio love to the godtrox Aatrox item 3070

KiÐ6/8/2016, 10:20:42 PM1 votes

When riot talks about balance changes... Psh please you don't even what balance look like you fools and your very uptight about smoking and alcohol like really? Kitty cat Katarina she's half naked with boobs out and everything but graves cant have a cigar? Like I thought this game was for mature people unlike you be real here, plus I'm pretty sure on the Gragas Esq. Skin splash art/in game and Oktoberfest Gragas skin splash art the man has a cigar in his mouth plus the giant alcohol bottle on his side with the Gragas Esq. skin and the Oktoberfest Gragas skin the man drinking three beers at a time, please do us all a favor and learn to make a game balanced and accurate with appropriate splash art because simply you don't know how to do so thanks! :) #Cigar #KittycatKatarina #Inappropriatesplashart

SkyblazeHydraX36/9/2016, 1:25:18 AM1 votes

Aatrox needs a kit rework more than just numbers. But since he has up to date artwork and effects, dedicating time to him when the likes of Ryze and Yorick and Urgot (and so on and so on...) exist just isn't feasible.

Aatrox is very feast or famine with how his kit is, and not only that it's also quite generic and doesn't really deliver his theme. Because of the combination of good art and lackluster but functionally healthy kit, Aatrox is gonna have to wait until a class update to get the attention he deserves.

SIayton6/9/2016, 2:42:45 AM1 votes

I think if Aatrox just had his base stats buffed he could be really good. He's just WAY too squishy for a fighter / tank hybrid.

LatetotheRace6/9/2016, 3:14:58 AM1 votes

Mordekaiser ;_;

Statchecky6/9/2016, 4:06:06 AM1 votes

Here's a buff to both xin and aatrox, delete Jax E...

On a more serious note, I don't think aatrox is unplayable and I'm enjoying my time with him.

Speaking of Jax's E though, did everyone know that, while he dodges auto's with it, it powers up the damage to a 100% bonus? I just found this out a few days ago... fml.

Irelia Bot6/8/2016, 12:59:10 PM1 votes

What is Aatrox? Acording to lore a being that shows up and turns the tides of battle at a cost of people well being who win it.

Aatrox could be one who feeds off the blood of the dead around him to grow stronger. This would fit this theme really well as a passive.

Instead he is a thrown together mix of Irelia, Jax, Xin and Anivia.