The reason veigar feels weak to play

Manwalrus··4 votes·616 views

His W. Veigar's W was untouched in his "rework" making his E have a delay really made his W a pain to use and harder to hit. And it just feels so sluggish, the channel time is 1.25 seconds and it feels so bad to use. When you hit it, it's great but when you miss you get annoyed. His W is more of a liability than anything.

Let's compare the tiny master of evil's W with the W of another viable mage who outclasses Veigar, Xerath . Xerath's W is just a better version of Veigar's W. Xerath's W has not only a larger range but a slow that can be amplified by hitting the enemy in the center of the radius to an 80% slow, not to mention enemies in that inner AOE take 50% increased damage and it only has a .5 second cast time, all that Veigar's W has on Xerath's is damage.

Even Veigar's E doesn't feel rewarding not only because it's so unwieldy no but, because even if you do great and hit that 5 man ultimate you'll still feel as if you didn't do enough because Veigar can't do enough, even if he hits the ENTIRE enemy team with it, what is he gonna do? He can only kill 1, maybe 2 enemies in that time because realistically unless the whole enemy team is in the radius of his W he can't really do much. Probably the only "realistic" scenario where Veigar can get a penta off his stun is his Q 1 shotting 2 people then his W 1 shotting 2 more then ulting and 1 shotting the 3rd but in that case he'd be fed beyond belief or it would be super late game.

He really also needs new VFX on his E and W. His W is DARK MATTER it's supposed to look fearsome and terrifying, not like a cosmic turd. The E sounds equally terrifying it's called event horizon, as in the event horizon of a black hole, why are there pillars? Also, why does the inside have stars in it and why is it purple? This doesn't look like a black hole at all...

Overall Veigar needs some serious attention and a minor rework because between the E and W and how awkward he is to use, he just feels weak even if he really isn't. I have no idea how to fix it and I'm afraid of how Riot is going to deal with it since he was (and in a way still is) unhealthy, and you know what CertainlyT does with those champions, he abandons them to be bot laners (Mordekaiser #1)

TL;DR: Jokes aside he really needs help to make him feel more rewarding to play.

9 Comments

SwapShadows1 votes

No it's because they tried to rework a champion they had no idea about and turned him into a farm mage.

Even if he is strong he is insanely boring and requires 20 minutes of farming to become relevant.

Manwalrus2 votes

To be fair scaling with his Q was always a core gameplay element, though I agree they could have done much better.

SwapShadows2 votes

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To be fair scaling with his Q was always a core gameplay element, though I agree they could have done much better.

scaling with his Q wasn't a core element at all.

veigar mains would use his Q for bullying and poking till the person is low enough to die then roam to other lanes, farming was a secondary thing.

his old reliability was amazing now he's just farm for 20-30 mins to be kinda relevant.

Sasogwa1 votes

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No it's because they tried to rework a champion they had no idea about and turned him into a farm mage.

Even if he is strong he is insanely boring and requires 20 minutes of farming to become relevant.

Yet, even farmed, the problem still remains. He's unreliable, his W is quite irrelevant because nothing in his kit allows him to place it anymore (and no, a cage doesn't work against a good player). He's teammate dependant, ennemies error dependant. That's why he's not fine to play. What is rewarding with Veigar? Hitting Q's. That's it. Why should you feel rewarded when you hit W or E, when the fact it hit depended 100% of your teammates/ennemies and 0% on you? You still have to place it where it's gonna be the most easy for your teammates to force him into/him to missplay and go there but that's not a play.

A 2K AP veigar can miss his spells and literally do NOTHING in a teamfight.

Manwalrus1 votes

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NewFoundAbility1 votes

A 2K AP veigar can miss his spells and literally do NOTHING in a teamfight.

Hi. http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110324180726/leagueoflegends/images/c/c1/Primordial_Burst.jpg

Sasogwa1 votes

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Hi. http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110324180726/leagueoflegends/images/c/c1/Primordial_Burst.jpg

List of things that can deal with Veigar's ult item 3102 item 3157 Braum shield Ekko 's ult Bard 's ult Elise Repel Fiora Parry Fizz 's E Kayle 's ult Lissandra 's ult MasterYi 's Q Nocturne 's spell shield Poppy 's ulting someone else (and her passive anyway divides the damage received from burst spells by 2) Shaco 's ultimate Sivir 's spellshield TahmKench 's devouring someone as he's ulted Tryndamere 's ult Vladimir 's pool Yasuo 's windwall Zed 's ult Zilean 's ult

And that's without counting the fact some champions can easily tank it via diverse temporary resistance gain Alistar 's ult Galio 's shield Rammus 's W MasterYi 's meditate

NewFoundAbility1 votes

I know this. But from my PoV being in Bronze, not everyone will get item 3102 or item 3157 to counter me (If I were to be Veigar.)

Plus, the only time I've ever not hit a Primordial Burst is when Fizz or Vladimir use E & W respectively.

Also I'm 100% certain that nobody is going to specifically buy item(s) to counter Veigar (In my ELO at least)... Funny enough, I had a Zed buy a Maw his first back because of me. He started laughing at me when ever I hit him with my combo. As I did no damage to kill him, but farmed op, thankfully.

Later down the line we start team fighting. We win because he chose to get an item to counter me specifically which is weird when he started roaming before that. Losing in the end because I catch him out every time... Don't understand the Veigar hate.

SirPacifista1 votes

But you shouldnt assume that everybody is stupid as fuck. Of course you will buy items to counter enemies. You dont build full ap canon on kata if shes up aginst Veigar, she will buy item 3001 and he cant kill her, even if the full combo hits her. (even if we presume that this is her only defensive item, which would be insanely stupid)

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