No more execution ults

Captainn Ginyu·Jun 29, 2019·35 votes·11,700 views

cause tbh im tired of dealing with shit like pyke getting 3-4 kills in a row because he can reset his execute every time he gets a kill

39 Comments

AnateraJun 29, 201918 votes

But...but..but..they look cool! And all 12 year olds love that!

Listen Riot, here's a free tip and I won't even charge you the ridiculous price of a skin for it. The more of something you put into a game, the less unique and special it becomes. This applies to everything, not just executes. Dashes too (hint, hint).

Yeah, I get that coming up with new ideas is hard. That's why you get paid for it. Stop rehashing things.

Tychusfindlay918Jun 29, 201910 votes

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But...but..but..they look cool! And all 12 year olds love that!

Darius ought to have been the first and the last, especially since his kit is the most suited for it.

FiveAneurysmsJun 29, 20198 votes

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Darius ought to have been the first and the last, especially since his kit is the most suited for it.

I main Darius and I remember seeing the Pyke spotlight thinking 'what the fuck is this ripoff'

Aoe true damage resetting execute that gives gold

Nice

Tr4shB4NSYST3MJun 30, 20191 votes

Don't forget ignores shields ;)

But no, pyke isn't a completely overloaded, unpunishable MISTAKE of a champion. Not at all ;)

LegacyDAPJun 30, 20191 votes

Cho'gath? D:

The Spicy CritJun 30, 20191 votes

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But...but..but..they look cool! And all 12 year olds love that!

Listen Riot, here's a free tip and I won't even charge you the ridiculous price of a skin for it. The more of something you put into a game, the less unique and special it becomes. This applies to everything, not just executes. Dashes too.

Yeah, I get that coming up with new ideas is hard. That's why you get paid for it. Stop rehashing things.

Yeah. Executions started to annoy me when every game i had an enemy with the execution ult. Fuck that.

Modl Ryden lJun 30, 20191 votes

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But...but..but..they look cool! And all 12 year olds love that!

Literally no one but you is saying that.

AnateraJun 30, 20191 votes

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Literally no one but you is saying that.

Ok!

WoodakoodashoodaJun 29, 20196 votes

Execution is one of the most balanced ult types in the game. They require planning, precision, and timing for them to work properly. And they usually scale off specific stats and, as a result, require a moderate or heavy gold investment in specific items so that those ultimates scale as the game progresses.

SillaeJun 29, 20199 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chocolate Frost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=liRNrOvR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-29T08:54:49.777+0000)

Execution is one of the most balanced ult types in the game. They require planning, precision, and timing for them to work properly. And they usually scale off specific stats and, as a result, require a moderate or heavy gold investment in specific items so that those ultimates scale as the game progresses.

I'm sorry they don't realize you're memeing.

You are memeing right?

Cause the only "certain death" execution ult that is really ok is Urgot. It's a flat percentage, only affects one person, and doesnt have a random ass gold distribution mechanic to justify giving it to a "support" that lurks around in teamfights with a dumbass stealth and regen mechanic and reset for the "oh so cool he pressed r repeatedly" pentakill

JaspersJun 29, 20192 votes

The second cast of Urgot's ult is stupid as well (I hate it :P). Flat %, 25%. Of a 6kHP Cho is not small number. Even at 6 if you 30% or so in lane, you might as well leave for safety as you've already lost and that isn't right. No execute like Pyke's or Urgot's should exist in the game imo, you should be able to shield or build armour/MR against them.

Honestly, they need to change him back to being rooted while he does it. Pyke's needs nerfing, they'll nerf everything else about him but not what people don't like.

Exin0Jun 30, 20191 votes

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The second cast of Urgot's ult is stupid as well (I hate it :P). Flat %, 25%. Of a 6kHP Cho is not small number. Even at 6 if you 30% or so in lane, you might as well leave for safety as you've already lost and that isn't right. No execute like Pyke's or Urgot's should exist in the game imo, you should be able to shield or build armour/MR against them.

Honestly, they need to change him back to being routed while he does it. Pyke's needs nerfing, they'll nerf everything else about him but not what people don't like.

and its projectile so can be blocked, funy thing is pyke execute is more stupid - aoe, resets, no blocking also much higher treshold. urgot execute is probably slighly better on 6k cho but how many times you have cho in game and you still have rest of the team to execute, pyke execute is much better on this 3k and less targets which is 90% of champs.

JaspersJun 30, 20191 votes

I completely agree, Pyke's 30% execute at level 6 against most ADCs and Enchanters is stupid, it was buffed remember to that number. I personally just hate Urgot's. I hate what it does to you, not just the killing bit but how it affects your play style. So what if Darius has a true damage ult? He has to get in your face, stack it to get full damage off which is only 200 level 6. At level 6 most top laners may have 1000 HP and pretty bug hitbox. 250HP is no small amount just because you got him by a pretty fast projectile (it's easier for him to miss than for most immobiles to dodge) and easier for him to hit the bigger you are.

But I hate more because of the idea. You can't fight him at level 6 because of it. If he hits his E or you go in next to him, you are a sitting duck because you essentially has 25% less max HP than you think you do. At least with other top laner ults you can just walk away with 1hp at the end if you want.

Exin0Jun 30, 20191 votes

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I completely agree, Pyke's 30% execute at level 6 against most ADCs and Enchanters is stupid, it was buffed remember to that number. I personally just hate Urgot's. I hate what it does to you, not just the killing bit but how it affects your play style. So what if Darius has a true damage ult? He has to get in your face, stack it to get full damage off which is only 200 level 6. At level 6 most top laners may have 1000 HP and pretty bug hitbox. 250HP is no small amount just because you got him by a pretty fast projectile (it's easier for him to miss than for most immobiles to dodge) and easier for him to hit the bigger you are.

But I hate more because of the idea. You can't fight him at level 6 because of it. If he hits his E or you go in next to him, you are a sitting duck because you essentially has 25% less max HP than you think you do. At least with other top laner ults you can just walk away with 1hp at the end if you want.

at least urgot dont pull you drop stun and go invi to regen full health also level 6 pyke with duskblade is something around 340hp execute wich is in third to almost half HP range of clasic bot composition and is going up hard in effectivness as game progress on other hand urgot execute remain effectively on same level flat 25% even if it can dish impressive numbers against hard stacking HP its still same level of power and pyke goes from third to over half execute treshold with 5 utility addons baked into it (aoe, gold, blink reposition, invulnerability frames, if its somehow denied like fiora w or bashee he still got reset and ult you again second later) we should be glad its not point and click and pyke can miss it but still pyke is kill more mess with overbearing kit. But riot love assassins in span of year we have two new assassins, 1 assassin rework and 2 new champs not assassins by given description but played and interactig like ones. From last 7 relases 6 are burst types :/

JaspersJun 30, 20191 votes

No, he can just E in, flip you which has a stun at the end and hit the R easy. I'm not agrueing for or against these things, both are stupid. They shouldn't be in the game.

I've raised this before and people just say 'dodge it' but with both these that's not the point. It's a mentality thing. I understand if Zed ults, I can shield, zhonyas, make sure I don't get hit by him by out manuvering him. It's part of the counter play, right? What I mean is this: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jgkZiVxG-your-thoughts-on-executes-in-league Read my first 2 lines/paragraphs.

Even Riot claim that a rune that meant if you autoed a champ at 15% HP they just die a bad thing, yet Urgot's and Pyke's R, regardless of if they are skillshots are just this. They said it was a bad idea, then added 2 ways of doing this to the game.

Exin0Jun 30, 20191 votes

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No, he can just E in, flip you which has a stun at the end and hit the R easy. I'm not agrueing for or against these things, both are stupid. They shouldn't be in the game.

I've raised this before and people just say 'dodge it' but with both these that's not the point. It's a mentality thing. I understand if Zed ults, I can shield, zhonyas, make sure I don't get hit by him by out manuvering him. It's part of the counter play, right? What I mean is this: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jgkZiVxG-your-thoughts-on-executes-in-league Read my first 2 lines/paragraphs.

Even Riot claim that a rune that meant if you autoed a champ at 15% HP they just die a bad thing, yet Urgot's and Pyke's R, regardless of if they are skillshots are just this. They said it was a bad idea, then added 2 ways of doing this to the game.

I rather face urgoth then pyke at least top champs tend to be little beefier then others so while it is annoying its not overly opressing and urgot execute is flat so you can disengage when needed, pykes execute is gradualy rising on one point you are "ok i have third of hp i need to go" but next time you meet him he execute you on half hp for squishies its outright opressive because they must be practicaly always full otherwise they are screwd. As runes goes i like how intuitive and user friedly system is but i dont like what runes they choose to deliver its 90% more damage 5% utility and 5%unusable and most value are getting assassins a bursty ones who doesent lack in damage department in the first place and if you are not scaling monster they are more cosmetic then usefull for you and few existing utility runes tend sieze to exist after 10 minutes in game when you replace their effect with better one from item

CowseedJun 30, 20192 votes

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Execution is one of the most balanced ult types in the game. They require planning, precision, and timing for them to work properly. And they usually scale off specific stats and, as a result, require a moderate or heavy gold investment in specific items so that those ultimates scale as the game progresses.

I agree with this. You KNOW its coming. And in the case of ulties like pykes its pretty easy to waste it. It becomes a mindgame.

SiG DxDJun 29, 20195 votes

one broken thing is

pyke gets reset even if he assists with his ult

Exin0Jun 30, 20191 votes

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one broken thing is

pyke gets reset even if he assists with his ult

and ridiculously long ones 20s with no cost

ModAcademy KaynJun 30, 20192 votes

Well, no that's not true. The character needs to die within the Targetting AOE indicator for that to occur, aka, literally right before it'd hit you.

SiG DxDJul 4, 20191 votes

no true

i saw pyke getting at least 20s reset for just assisting on kill

ModAcademy KaynJul 4, 20191 votes

If an enemy champion dies in the X, the last assisting ally is granted 'Your Cut', and Pyke gains the ability to recast within 20 seconds at no cost.

Pulled straight off the wiki man.

DUDE BROJun 30, 20195 votes

Pyke is designed around that though.

He's an assassin who is forced to stay squishy, and his damage abilities are very limited. A fed pyke can't effectively kill your team without that ult. It's frustrating yes but he's purposely gimped in other ways to balance around it.

Crescent DuskJun 30, 20192 votes

Pyke's ult is plain broken.

You have an ult like Garen or Eve or Urgot with strict requirements, and then they go and give Darius and Pyke these flat out better ults that also reset on kills for complete snowball on top of doing more total damage even above the threshold.

Pyke in general is flat out oppressive because he doesn't even need to build stacks like Darius. Some target gets low and then his snowball starts, allowing him to delete tanks and adc's alike.

All this while being incredibly slippery and having the damage and CC he does.

WolfeurJun 29, 20191 votes

We literally have 2 out of 145

Pater GascoigneJun 29, 20191 votes

Well, only 2 with resets. I don't like the fact these ultis get a reset upon landing a killing blow with them but at least punish someone for not getting the killing blow then. Give them a severe CD upon failing.

BugogJun 29, 20193 votes

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We literally have 2 out of 145

Pyke Darius Urgot Garen?

D2VincentJun 29, 20191 votes

Karthus w/ Dark Harvest :P

Awakening DreamJun 29, 20192 votes

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Karthus w/ Dark Harvest :P

no thats not an execution

D2VincentJun 30, 20191 votes

you just don't have enough stacks yet ;P

LegacyDAPJun 30, 20191 votes

Cho'gath.

Zane ZephyrJun 30, 20191 votes

Cho's isnt an execution.

KrofinnJun 30, 20191 votes

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Pyke Darius Urgot Garen?

Evelynn, Akali, Veigar, kinda-sorta Cho because of the indicator, Jinx...

PermaJinxedJun 30, 20192 votes

They aren't talking execution as inn scales with missing health... They are taking literally dead below a point. I agree that Jinx/Veigar is as much an execute as Darius and Garen though. And Cho might as well be Urgot and Pyke since there is a clear visual indicator for the death ranged.

JoseraphJun 30, 20191 votes

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Pyke Darius Urgot Garen?

Evelynn, Riven, Jinx, Veigar?

SEKAIJun 30, 20191 votes

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Pyke Darius Urgot Garen?

Akali Evelynn Jhin Jinx Lee SIn (granted, it's his Q, but don't forget his QRQ 1shot combo) Riven Veigar Zed (explain below)

There are probably more champs with executes in their kits, but I can't be bothered to dig out each and every one of them. And I'm only restricting myself to % missing hp scaling atm; though Zed qualifies because of his passive possessing that scaling but also because his ulti is for what it's worth, an execute with impunity.

There are many other abilities that can qualify as execute without % missing hp scaling and hp checks though, such as Cho'gath R. So the list is ought to be longer.

BigBellBruteJun 30, 20191 votes

What's the difference. 3 executes or 9 autos?

XhaidenJun 30, 20191 votes

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cause tbh im tired of dealing with shit like pyke getting 3-4 kills in a row because he can reset his execute every time he gets a kill

Pyke's ultimate is in need of a proper remake since release.Or at least - they should reduce the time it can reset to 1 time. One (1) reset if you manage to land an execution with your ultimate - should be more than enough - and also fair (while taking in consideration any other ultimate in LoL).

Darius is a different story. For that champ his ultimate actually makes sense. But for Pyke... a champ with 2 x evasive abilities - that's mainly played as support... Doesn't make any sense. Minute 16 of a random game... Mid lane has 2-1-1 KDA, top has 1 - 0 - 1 KDA, Jungle has 1 - 1 - 5 KDA, ADC has 0 - 2 - 6 KDA and a Support Pyke has 11 - 0 - 5 KDA. 🙄