All the people with off meta actions

YumScrumptious96·Feb 14, 2016·3 votes·768 views

You are not breaking the meta or making something new or even following a new strategy. You are ruining your teams chance of winning most of the time. I've had people say "bot support doesn't work, im breaking the meta going top supp" and then we lost because our adc got destroyed in a 1v2 lane. Even now I have people calling trio bot lane, meaning we have no jungler so our solo lanes are going to get trashed, myself included. For the love of anything, stop trying to do something off meta, you are ruining your team's experience and not making anything new. I don't care if its normals. Don't screw your team over.

35 Comments

DrNovaFeb 14, 20168 votes

Other people can play the game however the fuck they want.

Truth.

YumScrumptious96Feb 14, 20161 votes

Except league is a team game and when you don't work with the team it ends badly.

DrNovaFeb 14, 20163 votes

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Except league is a team game and when you don't work with the team it ends badly.

I'm not disagreeing with that at all, and I understand how weird shit can be anoyying (if it fails, if it succeeds everyone is buddy buddy).

But its a free game, and even ranked really doesn't matter.

I don't have to like it to understand they can do whatever they want. If you don't have buddies you are forced meta forever cause you try anything different you get shit.

Screw that. Play how you want.

YumScrumptious96Feb 14, 20161 votes

If you do off meta choices, the majority of the time you ruin other members experience just because you want to be original. Just had a game where we had people go three bot, then tell me they were very good, do very well except me and our top laner got ganked like crazy ending with our trio bot feeding the kassadin that I had kept under 3 kills. The meta is there for a reason, someone trying to break it works maybe 10% of the time. Its ruining other players experience for the sake of your own "fun" new plan.

LyndrisFeb 16, 20161 votes

Are you simply referring to lane changes? Because if so i'd agree with you, mostly. I've done duel mage bots with an ad mid(yasuo is the best because he his a melee adc). Off meta picks work quite often, And people can build however they want, assuming they have a plan and answer the two questions: How am i going to do this, and Why am i doing this. but when you tilt the balance of power like you need to know WHY you are. I do significantly better with ap MF the ad and crit meta for her.

YumScrumptious96Feb 17, 20161 votes

For you this might work, however almost everytime it doesn't because the build or role does not fit the champion's purpose, leaving a significant gap in the team's power.

CatastropFeb 15, 20161 votes

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game

See that word. It also means you're supposed to have fun. If some people find fun in going Off-Tank Annie that's fine for them. Just keep it in Normals, as Ranked is the only place you ever enforce this kind of mentality.

YumScrumptious96Feb 15, 20161 votes

By going tank annie and costing your team the game it ruins everyone else's fun. Not everyone plays this game to lose with troll builds.

CatastropFeb 15, 20161 votes

Wow, Surgery is just not enough for that stick.

YumScrumptious96Feb 15, 20161 votes

Great response, very well thought out.

CatastropFeb 15, 20161 votes

I try. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Billy VoHagenFeb 14, 20162 votes

If it's normals, fine.

In ranked, however, this shouldn't be allowed.

Mysticman89Feb 14, 20163 votes

Exploring new options in normals is fine within reason (particularly with rift herald now being an extra perk for top lane dominance), but people need to adapt to play with whatever alternative styles are being explored.

Many times off-meta approaches would do fine if everyone played it right, but frequently people continue to play as if everyone was using the standard meta approach (e.g. adc positioning/warding as if they had a support there even if they don't), or don't pressure the appropriate objectives given the game state and so forth. Sometimes team members just get tilted and salty and play horribly simply because they see something off-meta, and feed themselves since 'the game is already lost', even if it turns out the off-meta pick does well.

That said, the meta is the meta for a reason, so try to stick to meta in ranked, and people should really understand why the meta is what it is and think about what they're hoping to accomplish with their alternative game plan.

ImpietyFeb 14, 20162 votes

Swap lanes and rotate baby.

Then try the 3 man Jungle Meta.

YumScrumptious96Feb 14, 20161 votes

Swapping lanes doesn't work when we still get trashed because the enemy jungler can just free camp our solo lanes. I've done double jungle when someone instalocked my friends role and we actually did well.

darkmatchwaldoFeb 16, 20161 votes

3 man jungle op rito plz nerf item 3070

Ruin LanceFeb 15, 20162 votes

if you think that off-meta things lose games then you're wrong. there's someone in diamond named aqua dragon who only plays off-meta things, such as tank karthus, support vel'koz, ad malzahar jungle, etc. and also actually managed to get into master division in season 4 i believe.

YumScrumptious96Feb 15, 20161 votes

Wow, a whole one case of someone in high ELO. The problem is people like gold and below who aren't close to good enough to make these picks work.

LyndrisFeb 16, 20161 votes

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if you think that off-meta things lose games then you're wrong. there's someone in diamond named aqua dragon who only plays off-meta things, such as tank karthus, support vel'koz, ad malzahar jungle, etc. and also actually managed to get into master division in season 4 i believe.

Really? That guy is my hero. Also ap or ad malz jungle cause i can never get ap to work. But i think i'm better with ad malz now any how

Ruin LanceFeb 16, 20162 votes

alasarcherFeb 14, 20161 votes

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You are not breaking the meta or making something new or even following a new strategy. You are ruining your teams chance of winning most of the time. I've had people say "bot support doesn't work, im breaking the meta going top supp" and then we lost because our adc got destroyed in a 1v2 lane. Even now I have people calling trio bot lane, meaning we have no jungler so our solo lanes are going to get trashed, myself included. For the love of anything, stop trying to do something off meta, you are ruining your team's experience and not making anything new. I don't care if its normals. Don't screw your team over.

Why did you lose that? Opponent was 1v2 top, it should have been even.

z14GaKI7TOFeb 14, 20161 votes

Lets say the other team had malphite top. Putting behind a malphite.... Really not that terrible for the malphite. Putting an adc completely out of the fame.... Pretty rough.

YumScrumptious96Feb 14, 20161 votes

The problem was I had to go help bot since I was jg and our top was not good at all.

darkmatchwaldoFeb 15, 20161 votes

I literally just had a fiora/lux bot lane carry the game so it's not exactly screwing your team over if it works.

YumScrumptious96Feb 15, 20161 votes

Yeah, Fiora and Lux, two of the the extremely strong champions, the problem is when people try to go off meta, like Sivir top lane.

darkmatchwaldoFeb 15, 20161 votes

You're smoking something if you're telling me fiora/lux bot lane is meta. It doesn't matter if they're strong champions or not. Your post didn't say " I don't care if its normals. Don't screw your team over.....unless they're extremely strong champions"

YumScrumptious96Feb 15, 20161 votes

Fiora and Lux are in the meta, they are very strong when played well. That means when they can succeed, which, in your case they did. To clarify, my post did not say, off meta champion picks, it did however mention off meta lanes, like the aforementioned. Don't get me wrong, I dislike when someone goes say thresh top, even if my team wins, because it put the team at significant risk of losing. As in your case, that is one rare instance, which can happen. In all of my times and most likely numerous others, we lose the game because someone tries to break the meta that's been in place since S2. Fiora is a heavy damage champion, Lux is a working support. If champion's like Graves can work top, Fiora could, if played right go bot lane. My problem is when two people call bot and instalock champions like Thresh and Annie, because it makes my team have to deal with our low AD damage if we want to have regular lanes, otherwise forcing us to pick other champions that can compensate for the weaknesses caused by our bot lane. Costing your team a win for your own enjoyment is not fair to them.

darkmatchwaldoFeb 16, 20161 votes

If you build your team comp correctly you can use the meta to your advantage though. The enemy team isn't going to know how to play against Orianna Yasuo / Blitzcrank Thresh bot lane. They aren't going to know what to do if you have two junglers and a competent solo laner down bot. Your team doesn't have to have low AD damage just because you have Thresh Annie or some other cheese bot lane. If you have a Graves Vayne Quinn top, Kindred Graves Quinn jungle, or even Ezreal Corki mid you can easily get away with Annie Thresh bot lane. If your team knows what they're doing they can make some off-meta lanes like double jungle or support top work extremely well. Don't get me wrong i don't advocate this type of play for ranked, but in normals anything goes. It's for having fun. If you want people to play strictly meta, then just play ranked.

YumScrumptious96Feb 17, 20161 votes

This all requires you to have team coordination, something that almost always requires you to know each other. When I go in Solo Queue, and someone tries to something like Thresh ADC, when we have need an actual adc to compensate for our team's lack of stable DPS because we have say, a Rek'Sai jungle, Ori mid, Malphite top and Nami supp, it leaves us kinda screwed because their adc is gonna have a free time in lane since he outdamages our bot lane easily.

darkmatchwaldoFeb 15, 20161 votes

God forbid someone want to have fun in normals.

YumScrumptious96Feb 15, 20161 votes

God forbid someone cost you a win because they feel like screwing some people's game for their own amusement.

darkmatchwaldoFeb 16, 20161 votes

If you want to take the game seriously go play in ranked with other people who are playing specifically to win. People who are playing meta picks and lanes can still cost you the game in normals even though they're playing for their own enjoyment. That Zed mid can feed like crazy and be absolutely useless. Your Lucian bot could do terrible in lane and fail to do any damage in teamfights. Do you get upset with them for costing you the win the same way you're gonna get upset with your Nami mid for doing poorly? This is just my opinion but I have no problem playing with someone who's playing something silly and having a good time. They're fun people. I play normals when i want to have fun. When i want to try Bard jungle and see what happens. When i want to play Blitzcrank Yasuo bot lane with my friend and laugh my butt off doing hook-ult combos. I don't care if i win or lose the game. When i want to get serious and try my butt off playing Udyr jungle or Zed mid, i play ranked and expect other people to being trying just as hard.

YumScrumptious96Feb 17, 20161 votes

I play normals regularly, I also enjoy getting IP from it, the meta exists because it's whats strong. If you aren't playing to win then maybe ARAM is better, League is a competitive game, its not meant for trolling around whenever. I honestly do not care if one lane does poorly, its guaranteed to happen to one member of either team, but the chance of it being my team increases when you go Nami mid, as she isn't made to be a mid laner, her kit does not fit one.

SithesisLordFeb 15, 20161 votes

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LyndrisFeb 16, 20161 votes

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:3

Two things: I like your name, and OH GOD i've seen all bf sword(the finished three) builds on her but this was before the Rage rework and ruunans is good choice on her period and dey scarey especially when someone takes AS runes /shudders