Gear Ancient Coin more towards traditional Enchanter supports

Glory ln Death··5 votes·503 views

Currently, item 3301 is the (virtually unused) "passive" gold gen item - generally, only champions like Soraka and Janna take it, since the gold gen mechanic is extremely passive and non-interactive. That definitely isn't a good thing, and it contributes to how few champions pick it up. I'm glad that Riot is changing it to be more interactive and require the supports who take it to be more proactive in earning their gold. However, the new Thresh-esque passive it's getting seems a bit odd as well, considering the types of champions who normally purchase item 3301.

If Riot intends to change the intended users of item 3301, that's fine. Maybe they don't want Enchanters like Soraka and Janna to take it, and instead intend it for other types of champions. However, if that is not the goal of these changes, there are probably better changes that could be made. One possibility is to do something similar to the Murksphere line of items in Black Market Brawlers. Murksphere had an active that placed a shield on an ally - if that shield blocked damage, the support earned gold (1 gold for every 4 damage absorbed).

Now, we don't need to bring Murksphere into the game, and we don't need to turn item 3301 into Murksphere. But, the gold gen mechanic on the item seems like it has potential. Instead of giving item 3301 a knock-off of Thresh's passive, why not give it something similar? The passive could be: "Shielding an ally from damage or healing them after taking damage from champions grants you X gold." This could be based on how much damage you negated or healed, or could be a flat amount of gold with an internal cooldown (like item 3303).

This would end up cementing item 3301 as an Enchanter item, since champions without ally shields and heals couldn't use it, but it would give the more passive playstyle champions a good item for them which still encourages them to be proactive about earning their income. Many of the supports who use item 3301 currently don't want to be up in the front near the minions, and they would have a difficult time utilizing item 3303's poke-based gold gen mechanic.

Either way, though, pretty much anything is better than it's current mechanic.

6 Comments

PeepingPeafowl1 votes

One of the big things I'm worried about with this change is that what if your dominating your lane somehow and have them pushed under tower?

Do you have to run under turret to grab the coins without anything like the thresh lantern?

That sounds like a horrible idea to anyone that currently uses coin.

byakugan1233 votes

also if you are losing lane/getting bullied ( Caitlyn ) then if you even think about walking up for a coin, ur a item 3742

Glory ln Death1 votes

Lol.

Heroquet1 votes

Don't worry, the dev team thinks of everything as always. They have designed the item with one enchanter in mind.

Rakan is gonna be the only one mobile enough to pull that of.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

I understand that the current gold generation isn't what an enchanter wishes for, because you have to go way too far to the frontline to get the gold and that's not the place where an enchanter like Soraka or Janna wants to be.

But the suggestion you made here actually wouldn't fix the problem with coin. Coin how it is right now allows these supports to stay way back behind their adc to heal and shield them, meaning that they are never really interacting with their opponents directly. And that feels really frustrating if the enemy adc doesn't die because of the Soraka in the background, but on the other hand you can't take out the Soraka because she is too far away from you to reach her.

With the new state of coin, that problem doesn't exist. If Soraka/Janna want to get gold, they have 2 options. Take coin and grab the coins, giving the enemy the opportunity to punish them or (and that is more likely to happen) they take spellthief and have to interact with the enemy by poking them to get the gold. But that means they are in range for the enemy to retaliate.

We have to force these champions one way or another to leave the safe spot in the back of their adc so the enemy finally gets the chance to interact in any way with them.

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