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Zed actually needs a buff

Chaos of Unseen··4 votes·1,373 views

Okay Riot, I saw the post saying zed needs nerf. I think people just hate getting one shot just like what talon does. That is why he got nerfed. However, that is assassin's role(if he fails to do this, the risk is high and he needs to wait for their ultimate for example). The reason why they are called assassin is because you need to wait for a long time in team fight looking for a chance. That is why I kind of disagree to zed's nerf. He actually needs buff in late game. He is not like (fighter-like assassin)master yi who used his high ad to burst down enemies by right clicking after popping highlander consistently. Zed is a champ who waits for a chance and uses his ultimate and uses w to dodge and land several q, e, and escape with r. He doesn't have consistent damage, so he needs burst. If he does not finish the enemy with his combo, he needs to wait for a fairly long amount of time to use r again and he already has counters like qss and zhonyas. If zed doesn't have enough damage, he gets punished hard. Okay, this might be irrelevant to early game but if you are a mage you can cc him or dodge when enemy zed tries to use his w and he waits to land shrikens and stuff(Zed is a early game champion just like how champion "jax" is late game champion and he needs to get some kills to perform well after or he becomes kinda useless). Also, the enemy could hide among minions which will reduce the q damage. I would totally agree that you should nerf him if he was something like master yi, but he is not. He actually needs a buff late game cause if tanks build armor, he can't do much. Also, if enemy pops qss or zhonyas and if you don't use r again quickly u die because it got nerved where you need to wait for 1 second.

However, i totally agree you need to increase the cooldown of w. He is a champion who has high reward with fairly low risk if played right. In lane, if he spam w much, the enemy will have a chance to gank him and kill him. This is why i think increasing w is going to be quite good. 

BTW, ad carries are just complaining about assassins because they wanna sit back safe and get kills and assassins are what stops those high damage and low mobility champions. People talk about his win rate and i will say to them that zed is a hard champion to master and in high elo, he is super hard to carry.

So please re-consider about nerfing zed. He is all about outplaying opponents with w jukes and high damage from q. I actually have a solution to zed which will give them a breathing time. Give ADC's an item with zhonyas hourglass with ad stats also. Also, for early game, give mages or other midlands a cheap item with cloth armor with bit more armor stats.

-From a summoner who feels bad about poor shadow man, zed!

11 Comments

Resolution3 votes

The issue isn't his damage. It's the fact he is one of the safest laners in game currently. A good Zed can free farm lane at 0 cost with longer range then most Mages while harassing at the same time. Add that in with insane mobility, a one button 0-100% insta nuke... and you have a reason he's the #1 ban in every single Elo, not even lower ones.

FantasySniper2 votes

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Mr Broken Wings1 votes

ya hes op

Chaos of Unseen1 votes

if played right, buddy! But, he needs some kills early game to be useful later.

DucksAreMagical1 votes

They are nerfing his early game with his W, so that every Zed doesnt just W - Q - E you to proc thunder lords and you go down to 50%.

and keeps doing this until h is level 6 and ults you after this killing you.

Its like the talon nerf, its hard for people who spam in lane, however for the more skilled players its just a little more challenging.

Chaos of Unseen1 votes

May be people do not play safely, I really wanna hear Riot's opinion. However, that was what he was designed for, he gets hard countered by fizz and lissandra who dodges his abilities. All mages need to do is deny zed's farming early game by cc and poke and hiding behind the minions.

Chaos of Unseen1 votes

Yeah, I agree that he needs nerf on w for sure. But, his nerf on q is random(It is pretty easy to dodge). Nerf on w will be pretty good because it makes him vulnerable. BTW, weq or wqe combo is hard to hit unless enemy mage or midlaner is not paying attention for his cooldown and dodging his e for slow.

Chaos of Unseen1 votes

Mhihnj (EUW) 2 minutes ago can you decrease his energy regen. rate. He spams his ablities to often.

-Here is one good solution instead or reducing q damage.

Chaos of Unseen1 votes

Hey Meddler, as someone who has played up to Master Tier with Zed, I just want to give you some insight on what I think about that nerf and what could be done, just some food for thought from someone that knows the in's and outs of him.

The Q damage thing is good, I'd say that is pretty solid. Question though: If you nerf the damage on the Q, are you going to up the damage a BIT on when the Q goes through minions? Because early on currently, if it goes through minions, it isn't doing very much damage. If this is the point, then by all means go for it, I'm just making sure you realize it will be doing little to nothing to enemies if it hits a minion, which is fine I guess.

The W nerf I don't feel is the right way to go about it, but let me explain:

Zed's W already has a decently long CD tied to it, another thing about it is that it IS the skill you max LAST, so it is always on a high CD until later on. Whenever I'm against the good players in ranked games, they actually know how to take advantage on Zed when his W is on CD, if I use it under tower I'm already getting ganked. If I use it for harass, I'm already getting harassed back because after I use it I can't retaliate unless I can go for a kill. In my opinion, I feel the W CD is already long enough. Maybe you could elaborate on why you feel it needs to be higher? His opponent already has 18 seconds to do whatever to him, so I'm curious.

As for what I would do:

If I was to nerf Zed, my nerfs would consist of possibly making it so that Zed needs to hit a FULL combo (W E and Q) on them for maximum damage. Maybe make the q do less on it's own, but have the combo actually do meaningful damage, making it so he can't just harass without burning an escape, and making it so his harass is on a much higher CD if he want's it to do meaningful damage.

If I didn't use that for a nerf, I'd say to change how his ult works again with Shadow placement. I would have to think hard about this one, however. How it stands currently is very frustrating for the person being ulted because of how he can just port back, on the other hand Zed used to be a suicide bomber with his old ult, but it was way too easy to kill someone with it, and the damage was near unavoidable. Maybe try something else with his ult shadow placement, or how it works?

-ANOTHER GREAT REASON: Q DOES NO DAMAGE THROUGH MINIONS AND ENEMY NEEDS TO HIDE AMONG MINIONS, BUT I DISAGREE WITH WHAT HE SAID WHEN HE MENTIONED ABOUT SHADOW PLACEMENT BECAUSE THE OLD ONE WAS A SUICIDE BOMBER, AND THIS ONE FEELS LIKE A REAL ASSASSIN.

How about we just leave zed alone except for w cooldown because:

  1. He needs early game power spike to become useful later.
  2. Enemy could truly reduce q damage with minions
  3. He is fairly balanced if enemy uses his weaknesses like his w cooldown and reducing damage on q and watching out for shadow placements.
  4. He already is a lonely ninja who got banned by his master and is an adorable shadow ninja!!!!!!!
ßurst1 votes

First of all, LMFAO how could you possibly say zed needs a buff it's like me saying fiora needs a buff be chase you can wss her ultimate lmaoo. He's an assassin who should not scale well into the late game just like literally every other assassin. Control mages scale well into the late game not high base damage assassins. And a zed doesn't need kills to do well he can free farm the whole laning phase super safely then mid game be unstoppable.

ßurst1 votes

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