Here is why zed doesn't need nerf

Chaos of Unseen··3 votes·989 views
  1. People just get salty after being outplayed by zed.
  2. Zed is an assassin and he needs his q burst damage.
  3. He does not have consistent damage.
  4. His late game is countered by qss and zhonyas.
  5. Saying he should be nerfed because of his early game, then how about other late game frightening champions like jax or cassiopeia or mundo.
  6. Zed gets countered late game by armor and he needs to be fed a bit early game.
  7. If his q damage is problem then how about jhin's q or viktor's death ray and other high damage abilities from ADC(oh and you are gonna say it is because adc needs damage, then about zed who is assassin he also needs damage)
  8. Zed has low defense power and he needs high AD to compensate that.
  9. Nerfing w is silliest thing ever because he is all about managing shadows and stuff.

-AND BY THE WAY, DON'T SAY HIS COMBO DOES SO MUCH DAMAGE BECAUSE HOW ABOUT OTHER CHAMPIONS LIKE JHIN, CASS, VEIGAR, LE BLANC, AND GRAVES EARLY GAME!!!!!!!!

-IT JUST BECAME A TREND TO NERF AD ASSASSINS LIKE TALON AND ZED WHICH HAS NO REASON.

  • SO GIVE ME A LEGIT REASON WHY HE SHOULD BE NERFED. HE HAS BAD LATE GAME AND JUST LIKE OTHER CHAMPIONS WHO EITHER HAVE STRONG EARLY OR LATE GAME, ZED IN THIS CASE HAS EARLY GAME TO COMPENSATE HIS LATE GAME!!!!!!!

18 Comments

Very Hard Engage4 votes

here is why zed doesnt need a nerf - " im a zed main "

here is why zed needs the nerf -

levels 1-5 he uses 3 abilities and you lose half your health. you manage to land 3 skill shots on him and he loses a third of his health.

super manageable with 2potions vs his 3 potions....

now which abilities are harder to land? straight skill shots with pierce or .25s cast animation and travel time....

zeds poke of 900 range, + more with W, is more than most mages (Ziggs Xerath Lux are the exception)

you go to last hit a minion with an auto attack and zed gets a free Q off on you, you use an ability back, great, you lost mana, he still won the trade due to base resistances/armor/health pool. and he gets to do it again in 6 seconds.

zed has sustain from runes/masteries build options, you most likely do not (unless vlad)

zeds godly build path item 1036 item 1036 item 1036 item 1036 item 3155 your build path item 1058 item 3020 item 3191 item 3010 item 1026 item 3108 wow such great options and backing opportunities.

find me some champions who can shove zed out of lane, force him under turret and tower farm, make him go 0-3 and feeding in laning phase.

PentaJuke3 votes

Your post is genious, I main Leblanc so i have respect for Zed . Honestly ADC's need to learn to respect our range and not wonder around foolishly.

Morgy Morgy3 votes

my brain cells pls no more

Mecha MaIphite3 votes

other late game frightening champions like jax or cassiopeia or undo.

http://i.imgur.com/lrKVBQY.png

Chaos of Unseen1 votes

i meant mundo, i am here to talk about late game champs and being picky about this is not what this conversation is about.

The Voids Call3 votes

I mean specifically for #7, Jhin doens't have any type of dash and has fairly weak mobility for his speed boost, while viktor is AP meaning he doesn't have the base auto attack power to finish off a target or last hit.

Zed gets the benefits of being an assassin through his multiple dashes and burst damage, but also the benefits of fitting as a mage with his kit. Though he lacks the disadvantages that normally come with those designs. Things like resource management, auto attack farming disadvantage, low range, easily pressured.

Also i just want to point out for #8, zed is primarily an assassin, as such his "defensive power" comes from his mechanics, look at champions like fizz, LB, Shaco, exc. These champions are mechanically defensive, when they get hit they get hurt, but most the time they just don't get hit.

If you need a singular reason for why zed needs a nerf/rework though... i'd probably point to his lack of early game counter play. While it's true that he's only really scary in the late game if he gets fed early, he is a very powerful lane bully, while still being a threat by virtue of his kit. He can pressure you away from farming with his Q/W+E, while farming. Then he simply outfarms you to get fed. If you play aggressive to try to stop him from doing such, his powerspikes in the early game are impossible to actually build against. There exists no items which mitigate against his powerspikes.

Which is really the core issue. Champions with powerspikes in the mid-late game can be built against. You can have a item 3075 before the ashe would have otherwise mopped the floor with you. You can build a item 3140 before malz hits level 6 (this is different because he has magic damage). You can build a item 3153 before zac starts covering you in goo all fight.

Zed's power spike is so early and designed in such a way that there currently exists no way to actually mitigate his power. Don't get me wrong, this is actually only a problem because of lack of item options, and could be solved with out actually touching zed.

Though i would agree that his late game fall off would be fine, if the games weren't so fucking short now.

Hayaishi22 votes

He does need one, just that everyone exaggerates how good he actually is.

No flash no life2 votes

summoner 3

Problem solved.

Dangerous Man1 votes

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summoner 3

Problem solved.

I just tried that and lost lane.

Chaos of Unseen2 votes

Try barrier and exhaust. That will fuck zed's hopes. XD

SnugglePuggle942 votes

And this kids, is why you don't listen to Zed mains.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Dangerous Man1 votes

"People get salty after being outplayed by Zed" Well maybe because he has everything he could possibly need and way more to outplay somebody. Invulnerability, Too much damage, and 2 blinks (ult shadow and normal shadow). "He does not have consistant damage" OKAY SO APPEARENTLY YOU'VE NEVER FOUGHT A ZED? "He needs his Q burst damage" Well duhh but it's a bit too much. I shouldn't lose half my health level 3 because I stopped moving for a second meanwhile other champions couldn't do that if the enemy was afk. 7 But they aren't broken champions. They don't have any movement abilities and they can't exactly outplay. 8 Hes an assassin that makes sense. 9 Idk. 5 literally makes no sense reword it or something.

His combo is much worse then other champions because all the other champions you listed have the worst mobility and die very easily. Other then LeBlanc, I think you should think for a minute before you rant about your favourite champion getting nerfed (Barely)

Chaos of Unseen1 votes

I agree maybe he has a pretty strong early game, but late game if the mages have zhonyas and ADC's have qss, armor, and teammates protecting him, tanks with tons of armor, and other bullshit counters will fuck zed so how about nerf early game and buff late game?

xl Kirito lx1 votes

Hm. 53% win rate on Zed over 120 games. Not bad. Low cs though, could use some work. Realistically though, you know that there are numerous reasons that the champion is too strong currently. GD actually had someone with a really valid post recent, I hope they bring it over.

Ultimately, you're annoyed that your "main" is pick/ban right now, and going to be nerfed as a result. Bringing forth any number of facts wouldn't do anything, you'd just argue it. They're going to nerf Zed. As they should. Right now, it's just a question of how much.

Nyhver1 votes

His damage is more consistent the better you are with him

His late game isn't bad it's just really team dependent / situation and skill dependent, typically you're going to need to dodge things to kill things late game as Zed, or you just die/get zoned out because that's what happens to assassins

Chaos of Unseen1 votes

lol assassins are supposed to have more damage to mages and by the way you should try landing all of his abilities pre 6 in high elo. How can you compare zed's damage with mages, he is an assassin with high damage. That is like saying you should nerf mundo because he has more defense power than twitch. (Just like how mundo is tank zed is an assassin)

By the way 3 champs who counter zed and could make him go 0-0-3 could be kayle, lissandra, yasuo(who gets bs shield every now and then), le blanc(good leblanc)

Two of my commentors said this and I agree:

  1. Zed's power spike is so early and designed in such a way that there currently exists no way to actually mitigate his power. Don't get me wrong, this is actually only a problem because of lack of item options, and could be solved with out actually touching zed.

2)Your post is genious, I main so i have respect for . Honestly ADC's need to learn to respect our range and not wonder around foolishly.(luv u)

Calabok1 votes

he needs one or more and he is gonna get more

Astôlfo1 votes

Zed needs nerfs, but not to the extreme "omg kill him off existence" shit that other board QQers whine on and on about. And you're not really helping the situation at all. Like, the bias is literally dripping off your post.

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