Boards›Gameplay

Wait, why is Sejuani bad again?

Ridley Prime·9/30/2015, 5:30:14 PM·3 votes·976 views

Title. Haven't had the opportunity to play very much in the past week, but I remember being salty about the cinderhulk nerf 10% hp nerf and no compensation for the nerfs on the champs that were dominant with it ( & primarily) a few patches before, while the other champs that had become good/balanced with it (,, , ) basically became subpar again with cinderhulk compared to the other jungle enchantments now just seems cost inefficient.

But Sejuani's winrate and playrate seem fine. What's exactly her problem again? Is she being played differently? She used to be able to duel pretty much everyone late game but with devour being as powerful as it is I don't think that's the case anymore. Are teams capitalizing more effectively off her massive CC with the juggernaut and CC mage/ap item changes?

The boards, (and myself as a result of listening to them without actually playing her) convinced me she was trash tier again, but all signs point to the contrary. What's the deal?

9 Comments

blkKalameet9/30/2015, 5:40:57 PM2 votes

It's not that she is bad, its that she's not as good as the people abusing devourer.

She can still be very effective if used right, but it's just easier to auto attack everything near you to death in 3 seconds.

Khell DarkWolf9/30/2015, 6:12:22 PM2 votes

I no longer play her Tank with cinderhulk, full tank is Garbage.

khorney9/30/2015, 5:38:19 PM1 votes

I have no idea she hasn't changed

Win one9/30/2015, 5:43:05 PM1 votes

Hmm, I think sej is actually comfortably strong this patch! Strong engage, passive tenacity, and a %hp ability that is great against juggernauts. She's actually in a good spot with runeglave's passive! She might get played worlds!

Quil Evrything9/30/2015, 5:49:00 PM1 votes

Sej is now basically a team-dependant jungler, as opposed to her previous status of "go 2v1 anyone". So like mlkkalameet said; she's not bad, she's just a little less than some other picks, if you want to be the solo carry.

On the flip side, if you get ahead early, and you build AP.. MUAAHAHAHAHAH... I got up to 16% max health

I think, after massively nerfing her fail W, they gave it a little buff again. So that's why it works late game.

GundayMonday9/30/2015, 6:00:53 PM1 votes

So Sejuani went from having ~6 viable builds and being a quality support, to having one viable build and only seeing play in the jungle.

Reasons for this: Cinderhulk was too strong on release. Her kit worked really well with the item, leading to her W and R being nerfed. Cinderhulk is still way too strong. Riot changes the item to have less combat stats. Sejuani gets another nerf to her W (less % health damage). Riot changes most of the core items Sej likes to build item 3110 to be weaker. Riot nerfs late game cinderhulk, buffs mid game cinderhulk.

So this has led Sej to be a little underpowered with less build options.