I keep getting executed with nidalee jungle

iLasVegas·Sep 30, 2016·3 votes·1,110 views

Okay I main diana jungle and I literally carry every game, but i have trouble jungling with nid cuz i always get executed

can I rush roa instead of my jungler's item so i don't die?!?!?!!?

41 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 30, 20162 votes

lol nid has a heal in her kit.. diana dont... and yet you cant clear with nid

maybe its not the champ

iLasVegasSep 30, 20162 votes

diana's passive clears better,

champion.gg literally even says diana's better in the jungle at this current meta

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 30, 20161 votes

i still think player error is majority of the problem

iLasVegasSep 30, 20161 votes

Well Obviously it's player error. Everyone's going to have trouble jungling with a champion they've never jungled with before, especially when the champion is difficult and specific. It's the reason I made this thread

PermabannedGarenSep 30, 20161 votes

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diana's passive clears better,

champion.gg literally even says diana's better in the jungle at this current meta

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Jungle&sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend

Does it?

Brutalitops01Sep 30, 20161 votes

Diana has a shield that refreshes and has much higher base armor and AD, as well as having her passive and a ton more AoE. Nidalee requires a VERY specific clear to succeed in the jungle, and if you don't know it, you WILL be executed by it.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 30, 20161 votes

right ... cuz the player who is dying as nid jungle dont know this and know how to play it it is player error

RageQ2Sep 30, 20161 votes

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right ... cuz the player who is dying as nid jungle dont know this and know how to play it it is player error

Dont fight over it, any champ can be better than others if you synergize and are mechanically sound with each other. Anyone could litteraly do blitz jg, carry and win games if they knew how to play that champ so mechanically well. Obviously no one is right or wrong on who's "Op".

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 30, 20162 votes

no one is saying either champ is "op"

RageQ2Sep 30, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lTKHF3Ek,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-30T23:23:22.181+0000)

no one is saying either champ is "op"

You guys were literally just arguing about the fact that Diana and/or Nidalee have specific advantages in stats, you even stated Diana is the meta, as in the most over powered jungler in the game this patch.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 30, 20162 votes

nope i made no such statements

some how you read something i didnt write

RageQ2Oct 1, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lTKHF3Ek,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-30T23:30:07.234+0000)

nope i made no such statements

some how you read something i didnt write

Not talking about just you, but both you and LasVegas combined

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 1, 20161 votes

i never stated anything about either champ except for the fact nid has a heal and diana dont. i stated its not the champ but the player. so before you comment regarding something i say at least be kind enough to read my actual statements otherwise you are assuming things and making an ass out yourself

RageQ2Oct 1, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lTKHF3Ek,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-01T00:35:08.948+0000)

i never stated anything about either champ except for the fact nid has a heal and diana dont. i stated its not the champ but the player. so before you comment regarding something i say at least be kind enough to read my actual statements otherwise you are assuming things and making an ass out yourself

And you just completely ignored my last statement of it being from both you and iLasVegas... Its just a general compile of what I've heard coming out from you two. Sure you could not be the one making calls, but you're still incorporated with it.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 1, 20161 votes

i dont know what the fuk youre talkin about... you keep commenting on what i have said and you are never on point with any of my statements. you are just making an ass out of yourself

RageQ2Oct 1, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lTKHF3Ek,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-01T22:03:45.258+0000)

i dont know what the fuk youre talkin about... you keep commenting on what i have said and you are never on point with any of my statements. you are just making an ass out of yourself

I dont have time for this, so whatever. If you cant understand what you were talking about throughout the start of this thread then its useless for me to try.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 1, 20161 votes

i know what i stated you are pulling shit out of your ass and making comments about shit i never said so get bent

RageQ2Oct 2, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lTKHF3Ek,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-01T22:48:04.884+0000)

i know what i stated you are pulling shit out of your ass and making comments about shit i never said so get bent

Again you never checked what I fully said, only your half of the story. " being from both you and iLasVegas... " Take the whole conversation not just on your behalf, but combined.

iLasVegasSep 30, 20161 votes

Actually yes, Diana is a more op champion than Nidalee in the current meta in terms of jungling. Whilst Nidalee has a pounce, Diana has a 20 second ult that can dash her to an enemy champion. That cooldown refreshes if the enemy was affected by her Q within the previous 3 seconds.

Her W shields her and does damage, and her E pulls and slows people down and stops them from escaping. She has 1 combo only, and she can use that to oneshot squishies late game if she's ahead.

Not saying nidalee is bad; her Q does good damage and she can pounce, but with her root removed and Q being a hard skillshot that can be blocked by minions, it sets her behind.

All in All, Diana has a suitable kit for both clearing and ganking, and I think people just unexperienced on this champion that they assume instantly that she's not jungle viable

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 1, 20161 votes

yet diana isnt a contested pick in pro play nid is ...

DracocrashOct 1, 20161 votes

pro play and solo que are diffrent.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 1, 20161 votes

nid is still a better jungler than diana pro or solo queue

DracocrashOct 1, 20161 votes

agreed, but nidalee takes more skill to clear with as compared to diana. If you dont clear properly with nidalee = gg Its really hard to fuk up a clear as diana, tap W tap Q gg.

(ofc if you play enough nidalee it would be easy to clear as nidalee, but its not something that will come in the first game)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 1, 20161 votes

and my original statement that it isnt the champ its the player behind the champ...

DracocrashOct 1, 20161 votes

Ok, after re -reading your statements I can now understand what you meant by it.

But it looks like you are insulting him when he has come to ask for help on boards which can be disheartening.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 1, 20162 votes

oh you messed up now.. i got flamed by the OP for saying man , she came back saying i was anti feminist and all this nonsense it was thing of pure dumb beauty and if you see this persons over all post they make you would understand my statement more.

like they made a post regarding how Jihn only scales on AP

DracocrashOct 1, 20161 votes

Lol

iLasVegasSep 30, 20161 votes

Yes, I don't know the specific nidalee clearing technique because I'm new to Nidalee Jungling. Idiot

SwiftKitten88Oct 1, 20162 votes

if my big post wasn't enough to help you.. i'm not sure what to say.

after you hit lvl 3 and backed even once.. you should NEVER get executed, unless your doing somthing stypud like tring to solo rift hearld, or trying to do a solo adrag before you finish your jungle item.

as for do u rush item 3027 ... um... no... in fact you shouldn't even be BUILDING it on nidalee... item 3116 is INSANELY better on nidalee. most importantly it gives you similar stats to roa.. but DOESN'T need to stack.. which is why it even when roa was core on ndialee a few patches ago i HATED it. becuase all it did was make you waste your gold on somthing that took time to even good decent when every min of the game nidalee loses about .8% win rate. nids winrate is VERY linear.. and i mean that is is a straight line going down at a angle.. over time. at the 10 min mark nid has about a 65% win rate.. every 5 min the game progresses your losing 4% win rate

it almost sounds stupid. but the MAIN reason why nid's average winrate in higher elos is HIGHER so much higher and has a much larger differnce between bronze- challenger. is honestly becuase.. if you EXCLUDE EVERYTHING ELSE, the 31 min average game of a challenger play compared to the 36 min average game of a bronze player.. gives you a 4% winrate difference off the bat.. obviouly bronze with a 47% win rate and diamond+ with a 54% win rate gives your a difference of 7% winrate difference between lower elos and higher elo... but when you consider that 4% of that 7% is sole do the the fact that higher elo games are SHORTER its really only a 3% difference

but enough with statistics, back to answering your questions

finishing your jungle items is extremely important and the only things you should buy before you do that are item 2043 and item 1001 .. once you finish your jungle item you will never run out of mana in the jungle. it should be the first item you finish on nid.. no exceptions. because obviosuly .. if you have infinite man in the jungle... you have infinite heals...

now if you stay in the jungle the whole time and avoid every lane your a horrible jungler and shouldn't play jungle.. so you WILL run out of mana if you try to throw more than say 2-4 spears in a gank... and unless your running a siege comp and item 3003 your going to quicky run out of mana in any sort of prolonged fight without a blue buff unless you leave for small amount of time to go get some mana from jungle mobs... once you finish your jungle item you should be HEALING damage in the jungle... not TAKING it..

... when i say this.. its sounds really op... but most junglers do this whether via abilities, passives, or just life steal... that they just never TAKE damage in the first place because of a shield mechanic.. once you reach lvl 6 on any champ.. if your having trouble in the jungle vs the mobs.. i dont think jungling is for you again i hope this post was helpful.

but i do have a question for you...

Nidalee hardest counter in the ENTIRE game is Diana which you play. considering you should absolutely destroy any nid that comes within half a screen of you, (and as a nid main .. IF you go within half a screen of Diana then you got about a 30 seconds of grey screen to realize why that was a stupid thing to do and to learn not to do it again)

how did you come across nidalee as the next champ you ranted to learn? i mean i get thier kits are VERY similar with the nidalee has to land a spear to go in with pounce.. and diana has to land a Q to go in with her ulti.

but still. i can see nid players trying diana becuase well, she freaking beats the shit out of you every game and she similar so lets try to learn her.. but i find it strange you came from diana to nidalee..

DracocrashOct 1, 20162 votes

Early clears as nidalee requires you to kite and use ur skills properly without wasting time.

Once you get runic echoes your clears will skyrocket like crazy.

Brutalitops01Sep 30, 20161 votes

Nidalee is a very difficult jungler to play. You have to do a specific setup before the match starts with your W and a very specific clear. I would recommend looking up the proper Nidalee clear. I don't know it, but if you can find it somewhere, you can succeed and carry really hard on her.

iLasVegasSep 30, 20161 votes

I've been failing at her ever since they took away her root

CatastropSep 30, 20161 votes

Kite.

LadyRenlySep 30, 20161 votes

nidalee should be leaving the jg with full hp

Succubús GFSep 30, 20161 votes

I honestly dont know why people think her clears are so hard. Maybe its because i play a lot of eve so hard clears become normal for me. But nonetheless, I will attempt to give you advice. If they give you a hard leash, start q, if not i start w. I place my traps like everywhere, like spamming them all over gromp before game starts you also want to put a few directly IN FRONT of wolves, not in the pit, now you just start gromp and then keep kiting with your w, you then get q, go as far away as you can from the main wolf, and spear. Switch to cougar form, q,w,q,w respectively . Dont forget to switch to human form so you can get your q resets. Then i head to wraiths, one of the easier clears for nid because her w is aoe, smite the big bird if you have to, by this time you should be lv 3. Grab your e, get your heal. If you didnt smite the birds, go to your red and clear it with smite so you get health. If you did smite the birds just go to your blue and clear it. Then go back to your red and by then you shouldnt have an issue with it. DO NOT RUSH ROA INSTEAD OF JG ITEM it just isnt smart

iLasVegasSep 30, 20161 votes

I don't find eve to be a difficult clearer. She was my first jungle champ, and although I don't use her much, i find her simple at clearing :p

Succubús GFSep 30, 20161 votes

In comparison to diana or shyvana or vi, eves clears are a lot weaker early

SwiftKitten88Sep 30, 20161 votes

ok as a nidalee main.. who has ALSO had this issue i hope i can help with this post.

first off.. start spear.. not traps.. traps is POSSIBLE infact its actually IDEAL,as starting traps/ pounce pretty much negates nid's biggest weakness (which is getting invaded at lvl 2), becuase you can escape over a wall with pounce and call for help and get a countegank and a kill on the jungler. AND makes your clear faster becuase you can place traps around at the start but if you are GOING to start with traps you have to do it absolutely PERFECTLY every time. it can be done yes.. and a USED to be a LOT to do when nid had a root and a pounce reset. but even as a nid main.. i dont start anymore.. i start spear, it DOES make you VERY susceptible to an early invade if they rush you at lvl 2. but if you get your mid laner to ward and you also ward you can usually see it coming and get out.

so.. to start spear. on both sides you start bot for a better leash

for red (doing gromp) you stay in the bush at blue buff and spear it from there. the speed boost form your passive and leaving the bush will let you get closer faster and you still get the damage from a max range spear. however on that note.. be SURE to make sure you team KNOWS your doing gromp... becuase sometimes when they see you in the blush buff bush they aggro blue and then your really screwed XD

try to have the support tank it.. it isn't 100% necessary if your good but even saving yourself one or two hits from gromp can make your clear insanely easier

after you hit lvl 2 get heal.. again... as much as pounce would be IDEAL and still is POSSIBLE (although if you were going to have spear and traps at lvl 2 you should have started traps) heal is MUCH easier. like difficulty going from 11/10 to 4/10. use your heal every time you can, you have blue buff (or are about to get it) .. you wont run out of mana. always try to get the two little mobs in swipe range when you swipe the blue buff try to kite the blue buff as much as you can to avoid taking extra damage.. again it isnt 100% necessary but it helps a lot

AFTER you get blue you are going to be lvl 2 still. at this point you can choose to do a few things.. you can go directly to wolves to hit 3 (which is what i choose to do because getting pounce makes your life insanely easier. you can go kill scuttle crab.. which you can heal off of. get mana back and use your own heal. (this is what i do if i ever mess up and take to much damage from blue)

you cant really gank without pounce, but if your mid lane or bot lane is having real trouble you can show yourself and throw a spear or two to give them some breathing room. (this will slow down your clear)

if you choose to go to wolves (which is what i normally do) make sure to smite it. the vision will protect you from getting ganked while you dont have lvl 3

after you hit lvl 3 off of wolves.. you should be able to do the rest of the clear pretty easily, again if you find yourself low.. try to go heal off a scuttle.

otherwise finish your clear or go gank or do w/e you like

starting blue side is similar

you are going to start krugs again try to have yoru support tank if if they are willing.. every little bit helps

once you hit lvl 2 i do red buff, the stun every 6 hits from gromp is VERY useful so make sure to use that to your advantage

after red you can do raptors or scuttle of your low. keep in mind that scuttle if it ever gets hit by any form of hard CC, will take a LOT more damage. if you can proc the krugs buff stun on it you can take it pretty fast.

with red buff you wont have infinite mana so you are going to need blue soon. after you hit lvl 3 you can get into a position to try to take steal blue buff depending on how fast they clear who they are and everything else. otherwise go grab your blue buff/ wolves. again once you hit lvl 3 life should be easy, or at least easier.

as for runes and masteries.. well i cant speak for others.. but you can view my profile to see what i like.

i hope that helps

PermabannedGarenSep 30, 20161 votes

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Okay I main diana jungle and I literally carry every game

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/146826408/202012520?tab=overview

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/146612805/202012520?tab=overview

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/146427445/202012520?tab=overview

Do you?

CalabokOct 1, 20161 votes

start with enemy blue, then enemy red. this should help you with mana and offense to kill jungle mob. then go to your red and blue next. VOILA you WIN