Biggest flaw I see with balance

Der Stechschritt·3/15/2017, 11:48:31 AM·1 votes·468 views

Riot is obsessed about counterplay. Counterplay is a fine thing, but sometimes it shouldn't be in a kit. Take Vayne's W, Silver Bolts, there is almost no counterplay to it, but that is the point. The point of the ability is to makes sure Vayne will kill things. The old Katarina had counterplay, save CC. Instead of leaving Kat in this state. Riot had to add the silly dagger BS for "counterplay". Not all champions need counterplay. If you drafted a team with no hard CC that was close to instant, Katarina should be allowed to shred your team in under 3s

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Ralanr3/15/2017, 1:25:49 PM3 votes

While there is such a thing as "too much counterplay" (look at Sion's kit) I really disagree with what you are implying:

Counterplay is a fine thing, but sometimes it shouldn't be in a kit.

That's a load of shit. I'm probably interpreting this to an extreme level, but a kit with no counterplay is a kit that you can do nothing against and must rely on the enemies skill level to succeed (and before people bring up Yasuo, he does have moments of weakness like with how he needs targets for mobility. He has some dumb shit like his ult interaction with towers, but his kit isn't fully no counterplay).

Even Vayne's W has counterplay (though very little of it is mechanical imo) that involves getting attack speed slows or forcing her to swap targets before she can get three procs.

Granted Vayne's kit has this problem of only being good when the counterplay is at its minimum (being able to kill targets before they can play around you) but is isn't a no counterplay ability (if you gave her Yi's ult, then it would be).

There should be counterplay in every kit and imo there should be more than mainly one form of counterplay for each champion.

Ahristocats3/15/2017, 11:50:39 AM1 votes

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Take Vayne's W, Silver Bolts, there is almost no counterplay to it, but that is the point. The point of the ability is to makes sure Vayne will kill things.

no it is not, vayne's W has no counterplay at the cost of taking a lot of time to be relevant (9 hits=42% of your hp as true damage) Riot doesn't want you to counter vayne's damage because their philosophy is "look it takes a lot of time, so kill her before she kills you instead of trying to dodge her damage"

which is bullshit