Turrets, Cannons and the Balance Team

Late For Tea·3/2/2018, 6:27:51 PM·78 votes·2,968 views

I'm generally not one to hammer down on the incompetence of others, but god what is the balance team doing? The community has been complaining for months that turrets are absolutely useless and do nothing in the game. Riot comes with a Baron buff and this is the result: https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantPunchyDolphinYouWHY https://clips.twitch.tv/MoldyFrailStrawberryBCWarrior

Why do we even still have turrets at this point? They may as well just disappear when you hit the 15 minute mark.

This is not the first time they have done the absolute opposite of what the community expects. On top of that the balance team doesn't seem to have any capacity to predict the effects of their changes. In season 7 we got massive increases to the shields in the game, and the community warned of the negative effects this would bring, multiple times. The balance team decided to once again discard the concerns of the community; and here we are, one year later, and the balance team admits they made a mistake and looking to cut back on shields.

This seems to be a repeating occurrence, and the balance team doesn't even seem to care. I already know what the response to the baron buff is going to be (in a very casual tone): "Yea, we did miss the mark with this one and it didn't turn out how we planned. We'll be looking to diminish the effects of the Baron buff and ways to buff turrets."

If I repeatedly waste everyone's time and money at work, I will be held responsible and will be in deep shit, especially if I ignore multiple warnings that what I'm doing is not effective. I get the feeling Riot's balance team isn't held accountable as much as they should, otherwise their capacity to learn wouldn't be as bad as it is.

53 Comments

Radiant Seraph3/3/2018, 1:36:03 AM13 votes

In a few patches:

item 3031 cost lowered from 3400 to 3000 item 3085 item 3087 item 3094 item 3046 cost lowered from 2600 to 2400

BeatzBoyFTW3/3/2018, 9:05:07 AM8 votes

This just made Rift Herald looked pathetic af.

Ben Sharpio3/2/2018, 7:38:15 PM6 votes

I like this change. I want to actually be able to close games and not watch someone brainlessly waveclear and get back into the game.

If you want to defend your base you should have to engage. No more waiting games. I think waveclear has been out of hand for a while now, and i also don't think a team should have to get multiple barons in order to close games out. This is an effective way to help the team that has mid-game advantages finish the game.

CausingNickel3/2/2018, 8:25:19 PM6 votes

Towers were always a piece of shit in this game ;/ Completly useless. Made from paper in mid and late game

Kaioko3/2/2018, 7:42:11 PM5 votes

Is that video pre or post the fix they had with how baron buff now interacted with banner of command? As far as I know they've fixed since it was hilariously OP in the PBE.

Also people were complaining about turrets not doing anything at the 10 minute mark not the 20 minute one. Baron needed a buff as half the time it wasn't a valued objective anymore. It's not like baron is what causes the snowball pre 15 minutes.

Trollmanship3/3/2018, 12:37:42 PM5 votes

Riot won't leave the echo chamber that is Reddit.

Reddit is unironically defending this shit. "They deserve to have an advantage for getting baron", "why should the team that is behind be allowed to clear waves?", "the losing team should be forced to engage on the winning team if they don't want to lose" (even though they will autolose immediately afterwards because disengage + uninteractive champions are and have been top tier picks for years now).

I guess the people who watch LCS find it amusing to watch a 3 minute send off for the game after it's already over?

Well guess what Riot? It's not fucking fun to play. AT ALL. You might as well just allow the first team to kill Baron to automatically win the game.

Eedat3/2/2018, 10:42:29 PM5 votes

LC$

Ok sure but why3/2/2018, 8:02:21 PM4 votes

I've been using Banner forever now, it's always been great to me

xelaker3/3/2018, 3:27:56 AM3 votes

I saw a turret kill a guy once. argument invalidated.

xJLx MCHammer3/3/2018, 12:30:29 AM3 votes

It's sad

because Jatt even had a Rioter come his show and admit, they don't really test these things in the game now more. It's all spreadsheets. It's fine and all but sometimes, you don't need a spreadsheet to tell you or warn you of a red flag.

Plenty of topics were made about this and nothing was done.

y0r1ck3/3/2018, 9:18:36 AM2 votes

Yeah this is fucking dumb.

YuGiHo3/3/2018, 1:57:31 PM2 votes

item 3504 meta is over, now its item 3060 time to shine! Maybe next will be item 3056 ???

but they seriously like to break off metta/underused items huh?

LVL99 Helper TK3/3/2018, 11:04:44 AM2 votes

we told riot not to do it

lo and behold

LetMeCarry19833/4/2018, 9:07:34 PM1 votes

This is not a concern for players in the general population. This has been out a while now and I haven't seen it once in any of my games. Majority of players are Silver like myself, so this wouldn't affect them in the slightest. Using that broken combination actually requires team work. In soloQ players would prefer to fight their team mates than figure out how to win. This shit is nothing to complain about.

PurpleKingCrazy3/2/2018, 11:50:26 PM1 votes

Ziggs but with added steriods and is now some minion. Yep, we'll make towers stronger this next path. 100% sure we'd make towers EVEN STRONGER this patch. don't worry.

proceeds to buff damage on Banner of commanded cannon minions, while lowering armor for inhib turrets

Taliyah :'(

lolipopevelynn3/3/2018, 12:53:27 AM1 votes

banner of command on baron minion is just overkill memes. there are so many ways to shit on turrets in this game that banner of command is at the very bottom. that buff to baron caster minions in general was just uncalled for.

TeCoolMage3/3/2018, 9:13:44 AM1 votes

At all these "siege meta sucks" and "waveclear meta sucks" posts....

As someone who only plays Xerath/Anivia I'm conflicted

Late For Tea3/3/2018, 2:42:42 PM1 votes

Wow, just finished the MSF - FNC game and apparently this buff to Baron/Banner didn't solve anything: https://clips.twitch.tv/JoyousHumbleButterflyMau5

Apparently Sivir only needs 4 hits to clear a fully buffed siege minion. Yes mages such as Azir and Corki will have a much harder time now, but ADCs are one of the best waveclearers in the game. This buff was just a half-assed solution to the waveclear meta, that only introduced a much larger problem.

Clear sign that the balance team has not properly tested these changes and have no clue what they are doing. They should just have buffed the defense of minions.

YuGiHo3/3/2018, 11:40:16 PM1 votes

this shit is so boring to watch, as a viewer of lcs this patch is ass.

Blåbæret3/4/2018, 1:48:54 AM1 votes

The "balance" team wanted to make games quick, easy and exciting. The result is the most boring and imbalanced meta ever seen in this game.

Congratulations, you've ruined your own game and now refuse to revert your failed changes because of pro play (0,01% of your player base).

notmebuthim3/4/2018, 7:15:13 AM1 votes

Looks pretty healthy if you ask me. Banor + baron empowered Cannon minion 5 shotting towers. Yes.

Carl Mings3/4/2018, 8:49:30 PM1 votes

I'm thoroughly convinced that riot enjoys putting out junk like "we're listening" or "we see what you are saying and we'll try our hardest to get it right!" while they think of the next way to ruin their game.

They have in no way shown that they actually listen to the community or even play the game.