How exactly is blitzcrank balanced?

Ethereal Mist··4 votes·1,677 views

How do people think that blitzcrank is balanced? The only reason I get is because "you can dodge his q." Yea, you can dodge every skillshot, that apparently means every champion with skillshots is bad. He will eventually hit you, but instead of just taking damage, you just die instantly. Also you can't "stay behind minions" when the enemy team is seiging and they cleared your entire wave. IMO his q needs to either travel slower or have a smaller hitbox. Someone like morganna or thresh, they just blow a qss or cleanse if they hit you, blitz, he has basically no counterplay at all. The only weakness I see is somewhat weak without his q, even then he still has an aoe silence that does a good amount of damage and a point and click knockup. I liked the w change to emphasize his strength and have clear weaknesses, but his q still doesn't fit that well enough as there is basically no risk and extremely high reward.

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SwapShadows3 votes

Why are people disliking this thread?

Blitzcrank is not a healthy or balanced champion even when he's played by a terrible player.

Ethereal Mist1 votes

People just don't like when players complain about champions being op.

alasarcher3 votes

Well if u are squishy u need Banshees Veil asap. But there is huge risk involved with Blitz. Hooking something u dont wanna hook. Imagine hooking something like Annie, Amumu, Galio, Mega Gnar, Darius, Garen, Riven or other engage champions, in middle of your team. Giving them basically free engage. Happened me countless times against blitz as Morgana. When my flash is down i let him hook me on purpose then Ulti and Zhonya, disrupting their team like mad.

Ethereal Mist1 votes

If you rush banshees second or even third item on an adc you won't have enough damage to do much of anything, helps late game, but the enemy team needs to have no reliable way to break it.

alasarcher2 votes

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If you rush banshees second or even third item on an adc you won't have enough damage to do much of anything, helps late game, but the enemy team needs to have no reliable way to break it.

If u die you wont have enough damage to do much of anything aswell. U will do more with 2 items and banshee, than 3 items and dead .

Ethereal Mist1 votes

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SleepyLionCub3 votes

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You shouldn't be forced to do way less damage just because the enemy has a certain champion on their team.

cept thats how league works though? each team is trying to get the enemy team to do as little damage as possible, whether it be by killing them quickly, or by tanking the damage for their team.

alasarcher2 votes

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You shouldn't be forced to do way less damage just because the enemy has a certain champion on their team.

Well thats kinda the point of countering stuff...

WalkingInACircle2 votes

By taking the fight to him.

Blitz actually has a poor all-in, most lanes fight him with a tank support and simply outfighting him. You can do this in team fights as well, if your team isn't behind.

Ethereal Mist1 votes

Yea, that can work with the right support and if they are out of position, but most likely he will just sit under turret and you can't get close to him. He completely zones every non-tank just by being remotely close to them, that is not healthy for the game. It's just like the old nidalee except slightly less range, but nidalee couldn't kill someone instantly in return for a shorter cooldown on her spears. I think blitzcrank is one of those champions with a near impossible to balance kit and he should probably just get a rework.

alasarcher1 votes

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Yea, that can work with the right support and if they are out of position, but most likely he will just sit under turret and you can't get close to him. He completely zones every non-tank just by being remotely close to them, that is not healthy for the game. It's just like the old nidalee except slightly less range, but nidalee couldn't kill someone instantly in return for a shorter cooldown on her spears. I think blitzcrank is one of those champions with a near impossible to balance kit and he should probably just get a rework.

What u think is irrelevant. Facts are important. He wont be reworked cuz one random guy dont know how to play against him. Blitz iz counter to some comps and can be countered by some. Any champion that is counter to something and has counter = balanced.

Ethereal Mist1 votes

Facts? The fact is that the ONLY way to counter blitzcrank is to not get pulled unless you are building full tank. When a champions entire kit is "don't get hit by this or you die," that champion is broken by design whether they are actually op or not.

Skadeglädje2 votes

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Yea, that can work with the right support and if they are out of position, but most likely he will just sit under turret and you can't get close to him.

Just freeze the wave. Seriously. Let him rot under his own turret if that's how he's trying to play. I mean, I love my Blitz but he's useless against people who know how to lane against him.

Also, come mid game, when you manage to grab someone you're 100% reliant on your team to react quickly and take them out. If they don't you just ended up with a Gnar at an 80% bar in your lap...

Blitz can be a total nightmare to play against, or a walk in the park.

Pupel2 votes

Well blitz also has to hook the right guy i mean if you hook rammus you help the enemy also what else can he do he does NOTHING except hook someone in so if you get hard engaged on he kinda useless you think he is OP cause you just look at his strengths and dont take time to evaluate his weaknesses

Disulfiram2 votes

Actually there's another counterplay option beside "don't get hooked": it's "let him hook you".

Alistar Amumu Braum Chogath Darius DrMundo Galio Garen Gnar Hecarim JarvanIV Jax Karthus LeeSin Leona Malphite Maokai Nasus Nautilus Pantheon Olaf Poppy Rammus RekSai Renekton Sejuani Shen Shyvana Singed Skarner TahmKench Taric Thresh Trundle Udyr Vi Vladimir Volibear Warwick MonkeyKing XinZhao Yorick Zac

SleepyLionCub2 votes

{quoted}

Actually there's another counterplay option beside "don't get hooked": it's "let him hook you".

Alistar Amumu Braum Chogath Darius DrMundo Galio Garen Gnar Hecarim JarvanIV Jax Karthus LeeSin Leona Malphite Maokai Nasus Nautilus Pantheon Olaf Poppy Rammus RekSai Renekton Sejuani Shen Shyvana Singed Skarner TahmKench Taric Thresh Trundle Udyr Vi Vladimir Volibear Warwick MonkeyKing XinZhao Yorick Zac

you forgot Sivir

Ethereal Mist1 votes

How many of those are adcs? Almost none. Exactly.

Disulfiram1 votes

You have a front line, use it. Don't be afraid to hide behind the tank.

Anyway, here are the ADCs that laugh at Blitzcrank: Caitlyn Corki Ezreal Graves Kindred Lucian Sivir Vayne

Situationally and with very good reflexes, MissFortune, Kalista and Tristana also count.

Honorable mention: Yasuo can protect the whole team, and Morgana can make anyone immune to the grab with good timing.

Ethereal Mist1 votes

So, I guess you don't realize you can predict mobility skills? Pretty basic mechanic... Again, by the same logic basically all supports that have skillshots are useless. Thank you for your amazing insight, I now realize taric is the best support obviously. I guess you're one of those idiots that thinks thresh is op? Someone that telegraphs their hook and can easily be cleansed or qqs even if it does hit is op? But blitz can do the same thing on his q except it lacks any counterplay, yet you think he's not op?

Disulfiram1 votes

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So, I guess you don't realize you can predict mobility skills? Pretty basic mechanic..

So you can consistently predict instant dashes and their direction, and even adjust your aim accordingly, but you can't consistently predict and dodge an hook?

I guess you're one of those idiots that thinks thresh is op?

No, but I'm beginning to seriously question your cleverness.

Ethereal Mist1 votes

You are not understanding this REALLY simple concept. He is eventually going to hit you, and when he does you instantly die. What is balanced about that?

Raentwo2 votes

So you want several ad carries that counter blitz q effectively making him useless to pick - without his q blitzcrank is nothing. Sivir does this anyway, but Vayne Lucian Ezreal Tristana Corki all have some way of either using a mobility spell or being able to just jump away when hooked. Counterpicks exist in the game, deal with it. Riven is countered hard by Garen, but are there people complaining about it everywhere? No. Blitzcrank happens to counter low mobility carries, but several other supports counter him Morgana Braum Thresh etc. It takes skill to avoid his hook but you can use minions to block, kite him down and just kill him if he runs up to you. Other supports have far more utility in their kits (coughThresh cough), but Blitzcrank punishes poor positioning.

Vesarixx2 votes

You actually can cleanse or QSS a blitz hook with good timing, it doesn't usually stop the displacement, but it removes the stun portion of his grab, allowing you to flash or use other mobility spells to break the displacement. His hook also cannot stop blink abilities, so if you play Ezreal you can E while he tries to grab you and cancel his hooks effect. Blitz is pretty predictable once you get used to him, so as long as you don't let him get any free grabs from the fog then you should be able to see the grab coming relatively easily, some of his favorite hiding spots are near wolves or raptors, so try keeping these spots warded if the enemy team is sieging, or if the tier 2 tower is gone then ward just outside of the base wall.

dannykun2 votes

Just a side note to what everyone is saying, Blitz is probably one of the weakest supports in game. He generally only affects one champion at a time and it's usually with a pretty long CD. He is also extremely weak when behind, and worst of all, he's super weak to disengage champs. Anyone that can basically tell him nope makes him cry, and if he doesn't get ahead in lane he's useless the rest of the game.

Your best bet is to counter him in champ select with a support with a lot of good disengage tools, like Lulu Janna Nami these three are probably your most ideal counters as they have the most powerful disengage tools available to you. As for how to counter him, generally cc his ADC because blitz does negligible damage in lane, it's pretty predictable where the ADC is going once the hook is landed so CC them and then either counter engage, or get your ADC to safety. I'd personally go with a counter engage focusing their ADC for lots of free damage, forcing the damage source out of lane is one of the easiest lane wins. From there you can either push lane and wait for waves, or freeze lane closer to your side so that they can't farm.

Just remember that outside of pick potential, blitz has nothing. He's got no real support tools to stop something from happening to his ADC. So pushing his ADC out of lane makes him unable to act.

darkmatchwaldo2 votes

He is balanced though, he has very clear strengths and weaknesses. If he was as OP and broken as you make him out to be, he'd have a 90% pick/ban rate in the LCS and everyone would want to use him. He's really not that great, sure he can be insanely annoying to play againt but i've seen way more useless crap blitzcranks than great ones. What happens if he pulls in your Amumu Galio Alistar Rammus Vladimir MonkeyKing ? He just initiated on his own team. If the enemy team is seiging and they clear your whole wave, stand behind your tank, and clear their wave right back. Or just back off, respect his zone, and don't give him a chance. Or you could just hard initiate on their team because blitz brings his Ult to a fight and that's all. If a Blitzcrank lane doesn't get fed in the first 10 minutes, they don't really bring much when teamfights start up. I'd much rather have Nami Nautilus Alistar Braum Thresh Malphite Morgana than a blitzcrank on my team.

Palmeiras SerieB2 votes

Volibear

Please grab me and save me time to run into your adc.

Prospector Pete1 votes

He's a one trick pony.

Ethereal Mist1 votes

So? Instantly killing someone is a REALLY good trick so it doesn't matter if he can hardly do anything after that.

SleepyLionCub1 votes

how to beat every blitz player ever, no matter how good they are.

dont get grabbed.

Ethereal Mist1 votes

Exactly, no one gives an actual reason at all besides "dodge his hook." By that logic every single champion with skillshots is garbage.

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