Last night I had 99 LP, today all but 4 of my games had one or more DCs. I scored an A+ or better in all but two games... I now have 0 LP
How do you play you way out of constant 4v5s and 3v5s? I really would like to know!
Kempachi Taichou2 votesRiot should let you reset your ranked elo for a few RP. Then you can see if you belong where you are or not...
NoPaxt1 votesDon't get me wrong, I'm not a platinum player by any means, but I believe I better than this...
Treeofwar3 votes[{quoted}](name=Kempachi Taichou,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lAYQEtPP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-06-04T23:45:27.893+0000)
Riot should let you reset your ranked elo for a few RP. Then you can see if you belong where you are or not...
that stupid thats like paying to get a better rank. Why not just buy a diamond account then i mean every bronze and silver player feels as they are diamond so why not just pay someone else for the rank. It makes the 10 placement matches nothing if you could just reset your elo for some RP
Kempachi Taichou1 votesYou'd still have to earn it...
TragicTricks1 votesYour not paying for a rank but you will most likely be ranked higher.
Most people start rank when they first hit level 30 They are inexperienced and which cause them to get put in a lower ranked.
Somtimes it hard and stressful to get out of bronze or silver. Having a reset would be nice
Treeofwar1 votesYour not paying for a rank but you will most likely be ranked higher.
Most people start rank when they first hit level 30 They are inexperienced and which cause them to get put in a lower ranked.
Somtimes it hard and stressful to get out of bronze or silver. Having a reset would be nice
if you jump into ranked when you hit level 30 that is your fault and thats like saying man for just a bit of money i can pay riot for a redo button as many times as i want until i get that insta gold or insta plat suck it up and play your ranked games like a man and climb out like riot wants you to if nightblue can get 5 accounts to challenger and so can bjerg then so can you and dont say well its because they are pro or challenger level that they can do it. All i hear from bronze players is its my team that makes me lose so if they can play with a bad team and carry then its not the team its you.
TragicTricks1 votesYou will not be paying for a rank you will be earning one. If you are still on a bronze or silver level then thats were you would stay
CppL1 votesthat stupid thats like paying to get a better rank. Why not just buy a diamond account then i mean every bronze and silver player feels as they are diamond so why not just pay someone else for the rank. It makes the 10 placement matches nothing if you could just reset your elo for some RP
With a dynamicQ you can actually do that.And its legal.
Quepha2 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lAYQEtPP,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-06-04T23:42:45.789+0000)
I scored an A+ or better in all but two games...
An entirely worthless observation.
BloodyTompon1 votesLol. So true.
NoPaxt1 votesNo it means I'm playing well despite it all... It's not like I quit when the odds were against me, I played it out, I tried to win!
undesirable team1 votes/remake haha
NoPaxt1 votesDon't want to reinvest all the time.and eneegy into camps rune pages and runes....
Quepha1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lAYQEtPP,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-06-04T23:48:12.342+0000)
Don't want to reinvest all the time.and eneegy into camps rune pages and runes....
that's not what he's talking about. Riot is working on a "/remake" function that you can use within the first 3 minutes of the game if you have an afk that will cause a vote, like a surrender vote, for the game to end with a loss forgiven.
Odd Gnome1 votesKeep tryin'. [slayer-jinx-wink]
spombjop1 votes[{quoted}](name=Odd Gnome,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lAYQEtPP,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-06-04T23:53:40.990+0000)
Keep tryin'. [slayer-jinx-wink]
People don't have so much TIME, expecially now in summer. U know people wanna go out. Not everyone is sociaphobic (like me) to sit home and keep trying 500 times.
Odd Gnome1 votesOr unless you live where I do and it's at least 105 degrees every day and it's like stepping into a dying sun.
Slythion1 votesif you're losing 25LP per loss your average mmr is lower than your rank atm in which case you aren't supposed to climb tbh
NoPaxt1 votesI get 22-23 per win and 15-18 per loss, but when I lose 17 of 21 games because it's 4v5, or worse my MMR isn't real anyway...
Teslyn1 votesyou put on the sunglasses crank up the music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXzlRoNtHU find a pillow.. bite down hard... and push back till you hit their nexus.
TekihcaN1 votesEscaping ELO hell is also almost impossible as a SoloQ player now. I hate how everybody just dismisses lower tiers in discussions. If I do not manage to play the game for a little while, I end up losing LP. Cant even escape bronze 4 now. Hate premades invading jungles, tower diving. Just stop players from joining Ranked soloQ if you don't care about us Riot. Let us play normals. Ranked is pretty much pathetic experience for SoloQ from elo Hell now. I did it in season 4 a bit.. Hate it now. Takes forever to jump levels with the existence of premades. **** you Riot. **** you.
NoPaxt1 votesFirst game of the day
Trynd jg afk for the first 9 min, enemy Shacco fed Vayne ADC keeps diving trist and bard starting at level 1 .... 0-5 Trist fed vayne rage quits
Leona support, still gets an A+, but loses 13 LP for doing nothing wrong....
NoPaxt1 votesSecond game ASH ADC afk 5 min dives and feeds graves 0-10 Shyv mid AFK whole game....
-13 LP
NoPaxt1 votesGame 3 Garen top dies once, then states he's intentionally feeding... goes 0-13-2 the 2 assists were accidental as he was trying to assist the enemy tank Baron and elder dragon...
-14 LP back to 0 LP started at 40 LP
jaymc11301 votesIn levels below plat how to you play your way out of 3v5s and 4v5s? Petty easily if you are significantly better than that skill range. You won't win em all but its fairly easy for a diamond player to win even as much as 60-70% in the silver and gold range regardless of the circumstances game in and game out.
In platinum and up this becomes largely impossible or at the very least extremely unlikely.
The key thing to remember is that the system is designed very, very, VERY poorly all around. Its literally the worst ranking system combined with the worst match making system of any competitive game (not video game, just game period. Be it a sport like football, a TCG like MTG, or even a game like CS:GO) in the history of games. As such, elo hell is only applicable to those who do not play enough games to reach a sample size that negates the randomness of events that can occur to a player. (I had an account that played in roughly 325 4v5s out of 750ish ranked matches in s3, it wound up silver 1. I had an account that played in about 325 5v4s out of about 750ish ranked matches in s3, it wound up diamond 4 by the end. The accurate sample size was close to 1500 total games for everything to even out, luck simply dictated one account would suffer and the other would not and neither was an accurate ranking at the end of the season as my skill level would have been in the mid to high plat range if we factor out the extreme variance in results due to random events for both accounts. In essence one was in "elo hell" and one was in "elo heaven") Point being: don't let poor results from a small sample size get you down. The system is atrocious and requires a large volume of results in order to achieve even the slightest degree of accuracy for any player who is not vastly more skilled than the skill level they are currently playing in.
The most common misconception in regards to "ELO hell" is that it is a skill range or a particular point on the ladder or anything of that nature. It's nothing of the sort. "ELO hell" is in fact merely a statistical anomaly that occurs when the given sample size of results is not large enough to account for deviations from the standard greater than a single deviation. Playing that many games in one day with that many AFKs is obviously many standard deviations away from what is normal for an average player on a given day and can simply be chalked up to bad luck.
NoPaxt1 votesThen explain my first three games today.... First game of the day Trynd jg afk for the first 9 min, enemy Shacco fed Vayne ADC keeps diving trist and bard starting at level 1 .... 0-5 Trist fed vayne rage quits
Second Game ASH ADC afk 5 min dives and feeds graves 0-10 Shyv mid AFK whole game....
Game 3 Garen top dies once, then states he's intentionally feeding goes 0-9 then afk comes back... goes 0-13-2 the 2 assists were accidental as he was trying to assist the enemy tank Baron and elder dragon...
NoPaxt1 votesThat's not bad luck, that's @RIOT not caring...
jaymc11301 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lAYQEtPP,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-06-05T11:38:53.450+0000)
Then explain my first three games today.... First game of the day Trynd jg afk for the first 9 min, enemy Shacco fed Vayne ADC keeps diving trist and bard starting at level 1 .... 0-5 Trist fed vayne rage quits
Second Game ASH ADC afk 5 min dives and feeds graves 0-10 Shyv mid AFK whole game....
Game 3 Garen top dies once, then states he's intentionally feeding goes 0-9 then afk comes back... goes 0-13-2 the 2 assists were accidental as he was trying to assist the enemy tank Baron and elder dragon...
Just bad luck. You got an abnormally large amount of trolls and afkers in a short time frame. Some portions of the day are bad times to play for this reason. Like right after school lets out. Or really late/early in the morning like around 4 am. These things occur with greater frequency when you play during poor ranking hours. In general though its just pure bad luck, and unfortunately your rank is determined more by luck than anything else unless you are dramatically more skilled than the level you are playing in. The system is flawed and busted and that's why it takes so many games to accrue a proper sample size. Its the suck. But that's just how it goes. Riot doesn't care enough to implement proper and well designed systems so you have to start learning how to manage your luck within the framework of the existing systems. There are tips and tricks that help. Most high level players know what is termed "Proper climbing technique" by heart and always abide by those rules/tips/tricks when making any serious attempt to climb.
Again, the key is to ignore the things that happen in a small sample size, focusing on them is a great way to go on tilt and further hurt yourself. Stay focused on improving your individual play each game and grinding it out over time. Its not at all uncommon for many players to have to play 1000-1500 games to reach an appropriate sample size to even out all the bad luck and uncontrollable circumstances. Its not your specific skill range that's an issue, or anything about your personal account or anything. This type of bs happens to every player eventually if you play long enough, you will experience a run of games where events that are completely out of your ability to control are the sole determining factor of what affects your ranking. Silly, stupid, but sadly its true. The only way to overcome this is to simply play more games. Its a grind for a reason: the systems are very poorly designed.