And you're the jungler I hate having, its not about winning lane, its a team based game, winning lane or losing lane having someone help is better than both of those two, besides you can get feral stacks off kills and assists, theres no point in strict jungle farming if you can clearly get a kill which more than not there is one in my lane, the fact of the problem is that I bitch because nobody pays any attention to the map, so be mad at me all you want, at the end of the day its a team based game, not self obsessed "Im gonna farm and win" because it doesn't work without teamwork. So good luck with that. Also, there isn't a point for going to late game if the jungler doesn't help early enough so everyone can make it to late, by the time late game comes around, the jungler is still farming while everyone else is struggling to get kills because of: Counters, lag, d/c and other issues. It is your job to help lanes out. If everyone gets fed, because you helped, the other jungler that is mad stoning, will die off because he'll die so quickly. Likewise for you as well.