He's an old champion with an outdated kit, not to mention it's a toxic one. His Point and Click Q basically makes him a ranged champion, you literally cannot CS without taking 200 damage (10m into the game) from a spear every 2s. If he gets you low enough you get point and click stunned for 1s and he crits you with E because he's been poking you for the past 5m with Q's. His R is fine. Not to mention, why the fuck are his feet so large on his model??
Krully10 votesadd wukong and jarvan to that
ValiantKiller7 votes[{quoted}](name=Krulius Caesar,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l4QmcpbE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-02T16:14:04.631+0000)
add wukong and jarvan to that
And that thing ?
TheCodeisCupCake4 votesAnd 
ValiantKiller1 votesAnd
God i feel more brainless every champion we mention xD
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votesdon't know why you were downvoted. Wukong's outdated, and Wukong players want a rework.
ValiantKiller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ryuumoku no koke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l4QmcpbE,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-06-03T03:15:48.348+0000)
don't know why you were downvoted. Wukong's outdated, and Wukong players want a rework.
I'm wukong main and i agree but you know there people who like cheese stuff cause lately all streamers like go wukong he is op and now his winrate got rekted cause people trying to abuse him and fail sadly.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesWukong isn't op tho.
ValiantKiller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ryuumoku no koke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l4QmcpbE,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-04T17:33:02.502+0000)
Wukong isn't op tho.
I know he isn't op but the streamers who goes everywhere and scream he is a good pick, make people pick him and ruin his winrate cause they think he freeelo.
Metallikaiser4 votesWukong yes. Why Jarvan though? His kit is one of the ones which has aged the best in my opinion.
HaIlMonitor7 votesHis kit is clunky and linear which people dont like.
FilDaFunk1 votesWe all prefer that 
, don't we, now?
ValiantKiller1 votesHis kit is clunky and linear which people dont like.
Not to mention most of champions right now can just screw his wall up either by dashing over it or destroy it like ornn xD
PokladnicaZla1 votesHave you ever played against J4 top who builds full lethality? He kills squishies faster than the original Rengar
My Waifu Vanilla5 votes
+early 
s + Second Wind = what 
? If he gets you low you can just tp back to lane. Forfeit farm and outscale him. Getting Qd on cooldown is your fault.
TrikzterzArma5 votesIf he gets you low and you tp back to lane, he will also tp back to lane and poke you low again
Morgy Morgy4 votesim guessing if/when they rework him they'll make his q a skillshot seems logical
BEK Makadur2 votesThat would dumb imo as that is his identity. Skillshot stun would be better imo.
Chembaron Yamada7 votesHis identity? Isn't that a bit far fetched? The only thing that I really would call iconic in his kit is his blocking mechanic and maybe his crit on low health targets, but the rest is pretty basic.
I don't think that a champion should be defined by a simple point and click ranged damage spell...
Dreamer5296 votesThe mandrop is definitely iconic
TotalJerk4 votesTo be fair I want to point out that the minion aggro changes combined with the Doran's shield rework has made Pantheon's Q significantly less oppressive in lane.
Chembaron Yamada3 votesThere are alot of champions in dire need of that VGU. Personally, I hope that Dr. Mundo gets his turn as soon as possible.
JAYCCCCCCCCCCCCE3 votesyou literally cannot CS without taking 200 damage (10m into the game) from a spear every 2s
If you used common sense youd know that resolve tree + dorans shield = Useless panth
Masala Chai2 votesYeah he's a bit of a problematic champion, given the scope of his kit and how rather dated he is. He (and Morde) are the last champs with ridiculous feet.
Partybringer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Masala Chai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l4QmcpbE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-02T15:48:54.840+0000)
Yeah he's a bit of a problematic champion, given the scope of his kit and how rather dated he is. He (and Morde) are the last champs with ridiculous feet.
5050BS2 votesYa he is getting dusty
Caretaker Jack2 votesThere are people who have gotten to challenger with him and his weaknesses are pretty obvious... So, it's not a terrible kit. If they rework him, they will probably keep the same idea of this dominant early monster that falls off later if you fuck up.
PLS GÓD NÓ2 votesSomeone clearly forgot about the recent nerf on Pantheon's Q where he draws minion aggro upon hitting a champ. His kit is fine, each champion in league of legends is unique. Each champion has it's strengths and weaknesses. It's up to you as a player to master this weaknesses, and adjust your playstyle to what the game is throwing at you.
I'm a tryndamere main, playing one of the oldest champions in league, who has never gotten a rework, low winrate champion, low tier in comparison to other champions. But I managed to get high elo with learning more about matchups, itemization and how to play to my strengths and weaknesses.
Proxy3451 votesEat those spears like a man!
Xiniseid1 votesHe's the artisan of war but in lane he functions akin to Teemo lmao.
Cowgirl Ed1 votesExcept 90% of the champs shit on him in lane
Metallikaiser1 votesI mean, I fully agree. But his point and click spear shouldnt be changed. Its the main thing I attach to him, its a good way to keep his bully playstyle and making him have a skill shot spear shot would be awful and unoriginal considering Nidalee and Kalista already both have one of those. Not to say they cant make him less BS, GP has basically the same spell yet his kit around it makes him feel pretty fair. Dont kid yourself into thinking Pantheon wont still be annoying though.
Snowman Arc1 votesYeah, Pantheon's kit is quite outdated but he is so iconic at what he does, that I don't think you can change. He's a noob friendly champion that's extremely strong early and falls off hard later.
Mega Annie X1 votesthere is nothing noob friendly about a champ with no way out and a very obvious only way in. Noob champs can build duskblade and hit their 1000 range instant dash to kill you with their moving aoe nuke.
4th3t0s1 votesThe change to single-targeted skills drawing minion aggro severely nerfed his early lane pressure; he's a lane bully, don't mess with him early.
Cowgirl Ed1 votesLol
FilDaFunk1 votesGiant feet aside (you know what they say about those)
You are complaining that a lane bully is bullying you in lane.
nachocheeseeeee1 votesThematically he also doesn't make sense. What kind of Spartan fucking loses to almost melee champ in late game. He should be like a crazy duelist in the late game, or at least a master tactician at war.
Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votesHe used to be pretty hard to deal with in some matchups. Since the new rune system, I haven't had a problem the few times I've seen him. Second Wind + Doran's Shield + potentially grasp + any sustain on the character makes him irrelevant. The minion changes were icing on his coffin.
