petition to revert vladimirs Q

sørakã·Jun 8, 2017·1 votes·378 views

i wanted to start a petition to revert vladimirs Q ability because i personally feel that it is to unreliable in team fights. when it comes to laning phase i fined its to predictable considering the enemy can see when u are about to get it up so they just move back for 2 seconds, on top of that it only does damage and heals you 1/3 of the time so once you use the empowered Q the enemy doesn't care if they get hit by the other 2. i dont know of any other champ in the games that has a Q with so many drawbacks, at least the old Q did consistent damage and had consistent healing and that what i miss and want back.

10 Comments

WitchQueen AnnieJun 9, 20172 votes

I think its in Vladimir's interests to maintain the status quo because it gives counterplay in lane, thus justifying his god like late game.

If Riot were to restore the old Q, they would probably then use "lack of counterplay" as an excuse to butcher the rest of Vladimir's kit (ex less damage from E, a reduced R radius etc).

I think the status quo is safer for Vladimir.

Also, I've played tons of Vladimir and I can tell you... your Q out of lane, doesn't matter that much. Your power is loaded into your Ultimate and your Tides of Blood (when you have 4/5 points in it). Once you get there, while its NICE to land some empowered Qs, you shouldn't fixate on that. The key is land your Es, that is where most of your damage is front-loaded.

The Q empower mechanic is mostly for laning. Once you are in team fights, its hard to coordinate your engages with its ebb and flow. Your focus should be to focus on your Es. You can INSTICTIVELY sometimes time your attacks with the Q empowered mechanic but its hard. Its entirely fine to just land mostly weak Qs so long as your Ultimate and Es hit. The Q is very misleading in that way...

HallbusterJun 9, 20171 votes

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I think its in Vladimir's interests to maintain the status quo because it gives counterplay in lane, thus justifying his god like late game.

If Riot were to restore the old Q, they would probably then use "lack of counterplay" as an excuse to butcher the rest of Vladimir's kit (ex less damage from E, a reduced R radius etc).

I think the status quo is safer for Vladimir.

Also, I've played tons of Vladimir and I can tell you... your Q out of lane, doesn't matter that much. Your power is loaded into your Ultimate and your Tides of Blood (when you have 4/5 points in it). Once you get there, while its NICE to land some empowered Qs, you shouldn't fixate on that. The key is land your Es, that is where most of your damage is front-loaded.

The Q empower mechanic is mostly for laning. Once you are in team fights, its hard to coordinate your engages with its ebb and flow. Your focus should be to focus on your Es. You can INSTICTIVELY sometimes time your attacks with the Q empowered mechanic but its hard. Its entirely fine to just land mostly weak Qs so long as your Ultimate and Es hit. The Q is very misleading in that way...

This is convincing enough for me to agree. I guess I take back my previous statement.

sørakãJun 12, 20171 votes

honestly they should put a bit less damages on the E and focus a bit more on the Q anyway, the E ability can almost 1 shot a adc as is, do u think thats fair? you say that the E should be the thing youre trying to land regularly but do u forget it can be blocked my minions, dragon, baron other champions ext. all at the cost of your own health. im not saying his Q should be his main source of damage we all know that would be to hard to lane against do to sustain and having a low cool down, im just saying i believe having the damage split evenly between his Q and E would make him more consistent and reliable in a team fight and just tweaking his sustain a bit so hes not to op early on. as it stands right now its to easy to avoid his abilities! im all for counter play but putting a bar on your opponent telling them when your ability is going to be up is stupid especially considering that ability only lasts for like 2 seconds and then they have to start the whole stacking process again.

NGNL AsianJun 9, 20171 votes

Constant healing... Constantly damage... Plz, dont make vlad top a thing again

TranquiIityJun 9, 20171 votes

Honestly right now the burst damage can be a pain to fight against right now. Id rather have this vlad though because the old one wasn't exactly the best...

BeatzBoyFTWJun 9, 20171 votes

So technically, bring back the main problem of why Vlad needed the update.

sørakãJun 9, 20171 votes

the main problem was he was to hard to kill because of his tanckiness and his sustain put together, that and the issue that spell vamp was still in the game at the time further improving his sustain not on just his Q and R but it even made it so his E would heal him for much more then it took away.

HallbusterJun 9, 20171 votes

I'm a Vladimir one trick and I completely agree, his empowered Q does additional damage at the cost of being unreliable while it made his regular Q too weak. In team fights where you can only get 1 - 2 spell rotations off, this matters ALOT!

P.S I need to remind myself to get Sorceress Shoes instead of Ionians next time.