Remove Zeds 25% bonus ad....

llIIxxIIll·Apr 1, 2015·12 votes·1,008 views

this hero is such a joke....he is almost ungankable if he safes with W, and his haras is way to intense for an assassin..... but ok.....that not everything....

zed at lvl 16 with 3 items has like 300 ad......due to his passiv on W he gets 25% increased bonus ad....that 75 ad for free.........WTF ? btw just watch the lcs or any higher ranked games....and you will shit bricks..... zed is even able to assassinate a fuckin tank....without any trouble... really ? is that what this game became ?......

league of 35 legends and the rest of the champpool is just shit ?.....gj...

13 Comments

JustMyBassCannonApr 1, 20153 votes

300 AD at level 16 isn't ridiculous. That's about normal for any AD-scaled offensive champion. And he's not receiving 75 AD for free, he's receiving ~40 bonus AD from his W. 104 base AD, 196 bonus AD, 80% of 196 means he built 157 AD from items, 39 from W.

And I haven't seen Zed assassinate tanks unless they were well below half HP or too far behind to call it a fair fight.

XrusaApr 1, 20152 votes

and yet bjergsen couldnt beat an urgot with him :^)

Pandemic PunchApr 1, 20152 votes

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and yet bjergsen couldnt beat an urgot with him :^)

OH SNAP!!!!!!!

NewOnyxApr 1, 20151 votes

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ALL HAIL Urgot URgOD

CindikleApr 1, 20152 votes

That bonus AD only effects his late game.

His late game is fine.

His problem is that he has no problem getting to late game.

Sightless66Apr 1, 20152 votes

The reason he has the bonus AD is because his W doesn't have any scaling otherwise, and that's a big problem for assassin design. If it didn't have the bonus AD, then his levels 14-18 would give him virtually nothing. So, in order to be useful, he has to have more power shifted into his other skills. This kind of thing is exactly the reason why Akali has such a huge midgame spike and such a shitty lategame (which is really, really annoying whenever Akali is strong). Giving Zed's utility skill a form of damage scaling avoids this problem.

It's good design, and power should be removed from other places in his kit before the W scaling. I'd take a look at his high degree of lane safety and/or his midgame roaming first.

AbsoluteSadmanApr 1, 20153 votes

But Zed's w makes his q hit twice (doing reduced damage i believe, but it is making his biggest nuke hit twice,) and it gives his w a slow. It dosent need to also have an AD steroid glued on top too.

Course thats just my two cents.

Sightless66Apr 1, 20151 votes

It does, but it always does that regardless of the level his W has. That damage scales up with the levels his Q or E gets, not with the levels his W gets. The damage from those caps out when his Q and E cap out, maxing his damage at level 13. If his W gave no damage, he'd need a huge amount of power at levels 9 and/or 13 in order to justify the lack of late game scaling. The %AD removes this problem. If he didn't have this, he'd need much higher ratios or higher base damage on his Q and E. (He would need them. Just removing the %AD completely would make him a terrible champion instantly without some kind of buff). Either of those would lead to him having a much, much snowballier midgame.

Don't think about this as bonus damage he gets. Think about this as base damage and scaling that is taken off of his Q and E, and attached to his W levels. It's a good way to prevent him from being an Akali-style midgame nightmare that stops being a real champion late game.

He could use nerfs. This is the wrong area to nerf. You could maaaaybe justify taking it down to 4% per level instead of 5%, but there are so many better nerfs to choose from that would actually make him less annoying to play against. I mean, does anyone really complain about Zed's lategame? No, we complain about his annoying laning and huge midgame strength. Why not aim at those?

AbsoluteSadmanApr 1, 20151 votes

Alright, i understand now.

Thanks for not "ur a dum fgt he needz that"ing me.

Sightless66Apr 1, 20151 votes

It was a fair point. Worth addressing. I just really like this one part of Zed's design. I may have some qualms with other parts of him, but I think Riot did a really good job with this one thing.

AbsoluteSadmanApr 1, 20151 votes

I think the only changes he needs is making his q work like lux binding, so it stops after hiting 2 things. Then hed still have great single target assassination and no waveclear. And his passive needs to not work on minions so he can be punished if you shove to his turret.

Rand0mH3r0XApr 1, 20152 votes

Do people not know how to fight Zed? 300AD is your regular Yi, Yas, ADC, etc... He trolls AP mid because of their lack of INYOFACE response. Consider switching lanes with top if this happens. Top is always INYOFACE.

SmokinSickStyleApr 1, 20151 votes

He doesn't get 25% bonus AD until lvl 18 which is in lategame and he's weak at that point unless ridicoulously ahead, Assassinate and kill are different things, the first one means that he goes in, does his thing boom dead, the second might be a little longer fight, aka duel, yes, if you open your eyes everybody that goes on damage with AA is a very good duelist and kill tanks easily, heck ADC do that on range and can completely wreck them.

I hardly believe Zed goes in a fight ulting the tanks and being actually able to kill it in less than 2-3 seconds as if it was a squishy.

Now Annie and Leblanc have much higher burst and able to instantly wtfpwn enemies that build tanky in a few seconds.