Mages no longer a good mid pick?

AndurilWielder·Oct 31, 2014·2 votes·1,146 views

Champions like Kat, Leblanc, and Fizz are picked all the time in mid lane, and with their insane mobility, and also scaling with AP, I feel like they overpower all the other mid picks out there.

I mean everyone says Cassiopeia is a good mid pick, a beast, in fact, but she cant hold a candle to any assassin. They're too mobile, she cant land her poison on them well. I dunno, I feel like assassins are overpowered right now. Not sure how to combat them except use another assassin. :V

22 Comments

Kowe The EwokOct 31, 20144 votes

Cassiopeia? A good mid pick? You must have slept over Riot ripping her into pieces, gutting her out and crushing her lane presence to a state were Veigar can bully her out of lane...

GrimspeakeOct 31, 20143 votes

viktor is secret OP midlaner.

Wehrmacht BunnyNov 1, 20141 votes

viktor is secret OP midlaner.

Secret?

Viktor I'll let my Iron Man hand do all the work. :D

Azir Why can't I have this POWER!?!?

SouL1essOct 31, 20142 votes

Have you not seen Brand's damage-to-champions after game? Mages bring much more AoE damage in a teamfight. Assassin can only kill one target.

Reworked Cass is just plain bad in general...she will lose lane to a Veigar.

Raja ChachkiOct 31, 20141 votes

Assassin can only kill one target.

SouL1essOct 31, 20141 votes

Not my problem that Riot decided to apply a low-cooldown + multiple rotation model to ASSASSINS.

I don't agree with resets at all. They have already low-CD on basic skills. They don't need an immediate reset.

SukishooNov 1, 20141 votes

..she will lose lane to a Veigar.

Anyone AP should lose lane to him if it's a good Veigar.

CanastusOct 31, 20142 votes

Don't even try to bring Cass into this discussion, she's in a terrible spot right now and Riot are trying to fix that.

xDingwithsaladOct 31, 20141 votes

play what you want

Kat HeadOct 31, 20141 votes

Pick a mage and abuse your range and or zoning potential, you can push your lane vs all 3 of those and harass them ever single time they try to get a creep. Just ping like crazy when they roam and push your wave and damage tower, some mages can follow them some cannot.

AndurilWielderOct 31, 20141 votes

Pick a mage, and I often see fizz or kat gap close and burst so hard the mage doesn't have time to react. I think the best anti assassin is Yasuo imo.

Skia AsteriOct 31, 20141 votes

Pick a mage, and I often see fizz or kat gap close and burst so hard the mage doesn't have time to react. I think the best anti assassin is Yasuo imo.

Most mage vs assassin match ups take a lot more skill for the mage to win than it does for the assassin. It usually comes down to saving one certain ability and using it at the exact right moment to turn the tables. For instance, Syndra will beat Akali at 6 if she uses her E while Akali is mid dash (the knock back cancels the dash) and gets a stun.

SalidfingersNov 1, 20141 votes

Mages with Burst CC compete with assassins

7ha7guy777Oct 31, 20141 votes

i just outdamaged a fed lucian as malzahar so aoe burst mages definitely bring something to the table. however, swain is not the best adc

ZaikyoOct 31, 20141 votes

Just pointing this out, LeBlanc is both an assassin AND a mage.

12talesOct 31, 20141 votes

I mean everyone says Cassiopeia is a good mid pick, a beast, in fact,

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/207/234/you-must-be-new-here-willy-wonka.jpg

Seriously, tho - it depends on the champ. Xerath, Ahri, Malzahar, Syndra and Orianna are just a few examples of mages that can easily fend for themselves in the current mid lane.

Raja ChachkiOct 31, 20141 votes

Ziggs You have been bombed. Fear the bombs, run form the bombs, die to the bombs

Drunk RummateOct 31, 20141 votes

ziggs, ori, xerath are all very good mid laners right now

Wehrmacht BunnyOct 31, 20141 votes

Champions like Kat, Leblanc, and Fizz are picked all the time in mid lane, and with their insane mobility, and also scaling with AP, I feel like they overpower all the other mid picks out there.

I mean everyone says Cassiopeia is a good mid pick, a beast, in fact, but she cant hold a candle to any assassin. They're too mobile, she cant land her poison on them well. I dunno, I feel like assassins are overpowered right now. Not sure how to combat them except use another assassin. :V

Meh, a lot of mages out there are very good for mid lane. Take Brand for example, probably the second most OP champion in the game with every hit he has a ignite. His ult just destroys anyone near it, and his stun is insane.

Anyways, mages aren't supposed to have more mobility then Assassins. Assassins lack health which they make up with mobility.

Skia AsteriOct 31, 20141 votes

I will just leave this here.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1612558678/218693738?tab=overview

First time playing Morgana against fizz mid. Then again it should be a good match up, because shields counter Fizz and Morgana has the strongest shield when dealing with magic damage.

AndurilWielderOct 31, 20141 votes

Well I dunno, honestly Cass has great AP, and if you run seraph's (good build? : item 3259 item 3040 item 3116 item 3029 item 3089 item 3135 ), she has decent health for a squishy mage, and her ap rivals veigars. She can close in on 1k ap quicker than he can - except veigar's ap keeps rising, so in the end he beats her. Honestly Cass lacks an escape. I don't know why she's so slow, I have a snake, and he's a really fast guy.

I mean yeah, not all assassins focus, the idea is that there's variety of course.

Cassiopeia aside, there's lots of strategies to counter champs, but like I said, movesets for assassins I think are innately better. What use is health to sustain you, if you cant hit your opponent?

Anyway I say this because most of the time I see an assassin vs a mage, the assassin wins most of the time (greater than 50%, not going to bother getting specific about the math). Assassins are good, and common in mid lane. I think there are a few that are good vs them though, like brand, and annie i've seen counter fizz. She usually waits for his jumps, then stuns him and bursts him down.

Morgana is too difficult to say. A good morg CAN, but if she doesn't land her q she cant do much besides nerf your ap with her shield.

Skia AsteriNov 1, 20141 votes

Well I dunno, honestly Cass has great AP, and if you run seraph's (good build? : ), she has decent health for a squishy mage, and her ap rivals veigars. She can close in on 1k ap quicker than he can - except veigar's ap keeps rising, so in the end he beats her. Honestly Cass lacks an escape. I don't know why she's so slow, I have a snake, and he's a really fast guy.

I mean yeah, not all assassins focus, the idea is that there's variety of course.

Cassiopeia aside, there's lots of strategies to counter champs, but like I said, movesets for assassins I think are innately better. What use is health to sustain you, if you cant hit your opponent?

Anyway I say this because most of the time I see an assassin vs a mage, the assassin wins most of the time (greater than 50%, not going to bother getting specific about the math). Assassins are good, and common in mid lane. I think there are a few that are good vs them though, like brand, and annie i've seen counter fizz. She usually waits for his jumps, then stuns him and bursts him down.

Morgana is too difficult to say. A good morg CAN, but if she doesn't land her q she cant do much besides nerf your ap with her shield.

While some mages do better than others, the reason it seems one sided in general is assassins are suppose to destroy isolated squishy targets 1v1. Mages tend to be more team fight oriented. To really beat an assassin in lane easily, you would want some tank or fighter with good early damage and survivability like Renekton (a good counter to Zed in lane).

Mages can win, they just have far less room for error.

Here is the best replay I have on hand for showing what I mean: http://www.lolking.net/replay/na/1613952367

(Not an ideal example, as the Kat player does not really use her in ranked that much though)

I bring up Morgana because that is the mid laner I am working on at the moment. Ahri is my preferred champion for going up against Fizz and Akali at the moment because she is the one I have done those match ups a lot with.