Darius and Garen are the S3 Lee Sin of top lane.

Shinkada··2 votes·575 views

So thanks to Darius and Garen, top lane is really screwed up right now. It's not actually because they're op, because they're not. They have clear weaknesses, even the mighty Darius, their win rate isn't even especially impressive.

The problem is the same thing that made Lee Sin such a problem in earlier seasons in the jungle. It's the same problem that made Irelia and Renekton problems in earlier seasons in top lane. They crowd out picks. There are a ton of champions that could go top lane - maybe not top tier picks but absolutely viable - that just get OBLITERATED by these two. Nasus immediately comes to mind; Teemo and Gnar were considered extremely bad matchups for him but he can outscale their damage with defensive stats and then catch up, Garen zones you out just as hard as those two do but then gains crazy kill pressure at 6. You outscale him for five minutes after that, then he gets a BC and you're back to square one. Don't even bring up Darius. Aatrox, Alistar, Hecarim, Jax, I could keep going down the list. Two personal favourites of mine, top lane Taric and Warwick, are completely unplayable if you happen to land up against a Garen or Darius. Anyone without a ranged farm fallback, or a hugely strong pre-6 1v1, is just screwed.

Guys, please, the balance team in conjunction with the playerbase spent YEARS trying to work out why Lee Sin was such a huge problem, only finally fully realizing in like Season 4 that it was because, despite not being op, he just nullified a big chunk of picks out of that position. But now you're making the exact same mistake with top lane. Juggernauts are a cool concept in skirmishes and team fights but in lane phase they're just way too oppressive. Darius needs an actual way to out duel him for more than just the duelists, something like the inability to get passive stacks if he hits a champ with the handle of his Q but none with the blade. Garen? That guy should never be close to a top tier pick, his play pattern is too simple and being manaless and his passive means he's never punished for his mistakes, he should've stayed a low-tier beginner pick.

I miss top lane having actual variety. Now I just look at my old common picks and count all the ones I'm not allowed to play.

5 Comments

Shroom Junkie2 votes

I'm scared to play Rumble top anymore. And with good reason. I can't even get away from those little shits like Darius and Garen where they just jump on me or pull me for taking one CS and bam, I'm suddenly at 300 health and ready to be ulted if they have it. If not, I'm forced to B or be dived and they get out with enough health for another 3 or so turret shots because they're so damn tanky for all the damage they have. I have to play Rumble mid which even then there are extremely bad matchups to play him at all.

Shinkada1 votes

I forgot about Rumble. He barely got touched but Darius immediately removed that guy from the game, it seems. Haven't seen a single one at Worlds so far.

Big Lincoln1 votes

Gangplank Heimerdinger Jayce Quinn TahmKench Ryze Renekton Jax Lissandra Pantheon Olaf Riven Swain Vladimir Gnar Gnar Malphite Shen

these are all meta top laners who can lane against them, some of them are very good counterpicks

it must have been really rough when Darius was actually good at early/mid duels with his AS slow and instant-cast Q whenever you got near your creeps and Garen had more early damage and a longer silence. Not to mention Darius's damage entirely came out faster instead of needing 5 stacks to get a significant damage spike, did mixed damage so an armor item wasn't even an effect first buy

"muh oppression"

Ralanr2 votes

Pantheon is meta? Huh...didn't know I was playing a meta champion. Darius is really the only champion I have a problem with when I play him.

Shinkada1 votes

I question a lot of those. Heimer does okayish against Darius but he's bad against Garen who can just Q every turret, passive his health back and severely outpush a turretless Heimer. Jayce is far from meta. I severely doubt Jax survives EITHER of those champs, not that I have a Jax but his kit just doesn't seem suited for it until like 15mins in. etc.

Darius was fine before because just about everyone outscaled him. He made life hell for a lot of the champs I listed but they all could just bide their time under tower, accept they'd have crummy cs and he'd have map pressure, and then try to make plays later on. Now he gets insane sustain in teamfights, BC gives him some extra utility even if he's not doing well himself by just shredding the armour of anyone he hits for the adc, and if he gets 5 passive stacks on ANYONE he immediately turns into a carry so he can never be ignored. It's not that his laning is better, it's that his now actually respectable lategame removes the old 'lose lane win game' outcome and his enormous hard-countering of certain champs actually translates to wins much more often.

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