Chogath R stronger than lvl 18 smite?

Who cares if his Ultimate does more than smite does, 's consume does more damage than Smite while also dealing true damage and heals him. Also Nunu's is a basic ability on an 8 second CD, while 's is his ultimate with a decent CD. Plus Cho's ult is a large portion of his damage, unlike with Nunu where his Consume is only for minions/monsters so his overall dueling isn't lowered for using his consume.

I get it, Cho is a little strong right now and he is getting nerfed on the pbe already. But you are just taking something that Cho has been able to do for years and complaining about it as something that needs to change now for whatever reason. Plus out-damaging smite isn't completely un-common to do. can also do it as his 4th shot and can rend it.

They should get rid of Stonplate + R

Yea but muh thematic,Cho devours worlds for breakfast.You think some silly spell can outdamage him ?

This has... Never been new. Actually it was the main reason you went the full AP build instead of AP bruiser; For the one-shot.

MHO is that I think that All champions should not be allowed to do more true dmg than lvl 18 smite on neutral monsters. I'm talking about true dmg. Which is not comparable to kalista throwing 10+ spears to out-rend smite or a fed Jhin with a ton of flat AD.

nunu? well maybe that is a problem too. True dmg on Irelia is healthy. True dmg on cho'gath is not.