the 3/0 rengar camping your lane, you're playing vayne, your support keeps getting caught this isn't fun anymore, 20 minutes left on the clock should people in this situation really be blamed for going afk? It would be so much better to do something else for those 20 minutes while you wait for the surrender vote than waste your time with a boring game where you're just trying to get a minion or two
Azure Hamster5 votesGoing AFK is wrong (I mean unless there's a genuine RL emergency), regardless of ingame circumstances.
Dukues4 votes1-10 at 10 mins isn't that bad....... Also if its 10 min into game why you have to wait another 20 mins to surrender?
waitthisisntdota1 votes1-10 at 10 mins isn't that bad....... Also if its 10 min into game why you have to wait another 20 mins to surrender?
Because people don't know when to give up
Dukues1 votesBecause people don't know when to give up
Well if people were allowed to give up so easily then no games would be played to completion. If its a ranked game scenario then a team really should not surrender unless they really far behind. If its a normal game, I get the lack of motivation for not wanting to try and come back but really you don't want the game to allow teams to give up that easily otherwise only a small number of games would be played to completion.
I am only a low elo player, but I have won more games in ranked this season then ever before where my team starts off losing the game 1-10. Low elo players don't know how to end games/ get cocky and throw all the time.
Dragfin3 votesIf their skill level was that much higher than yours then it's just another good example of why the person who created the matchmaking algorithm is dumb AF.
NotCounter4 votesIf their skill level was that much higher than yours then it's just another good example of why the person who created the matchmaking algorithm is dumb AF.
Matchmaking in any game can never be perfect.
Dragfin1 votesMatchmaking in any game can never be perfect.
You're right, but it can be a hell of a lot closer than it is because Mr. algorithm dumbass has to make sure everyone stays at or near a .500 win rate playing solo most of the time. We have all had that long winning streak followed by a long losing streak because the retarded matchmaking system put way below your skill level players on your team to make it near impossible to win. I will never understand RIOT's thought process when it comes to purposely frustrating it's player base in that manner.
Dukues1 votesYou're right, but it can be a hell of a lot closer than it is because Mr. algorithm dumbass has to make sure everyone stays at or near a .500 win rate playing solo most of the time. We have all had that long winning streak followed by a long losing streak because the retarded matchmaking system put way below your skill level players on your team to make it near impossible to win. I will never understand RIOT's thought process when it comes to purposely frustrating it's player base in that manner.
LOL. Its just not true hahahahahahhahahaha. God I remember when I used to think like that, such sad times. Tilt is a hell of a drug. Also if you winning 50% of your games then the match making system is doing its job correctly........ how do you not understand that?
Dragfin1 votesLOL. Its just not true hahahahahahhahahaha. God I remember when I used to think like that, such sad times. Tilt is a hell of a drug. Also if you winning 50% of your games then the match making system is doing its job correctly........ how do you not understand that?
I do understand that. I just think it's stupid and basically coddles people who are terrible at the game. If you can't win games then stay the "F" out. Don't give people wins and losses because they might feel bad and quit the game if they only win 20-30% of their games. That is exactly what the matchmaking system does and you just agreed with me by saying, "if you winning 50% of your games then the match making system is doing its job correctly." How do you not understand that?
Dukues1 votesI don't really understand what your saying but this is why 50% makes sense. The game tries to match you with players around your skill level. If it does this correctly then your not going to hard ass stomp and win every game. Your chances of winning will be 50% since you are playing people around your skill level so there's a 50/50 chance you will win. If the game kept matching you with players you are better than, then your chances of winning would increase and so would your win percent. If the game kept matching you vs players better than you then your chances of winning would decrease and your win percent would go down. That's why 50/50 is the goal since that means you are playing people you are evenly matched with.
Dragfin1 votesI don't really understand what your saying but this is why 50% makes sense. The game tries to match you with players around your skill level. If it does this correctly then your not going to hard ass stomp and win every game. Your chances of winning will be 50% since you are playing people around your skill level so there's a 50/50 chance you will win. If the game kept matching you with players you are better than, then your chances of winning would increase and so would your win percent. If the game kept matching you vs players better than you then your chances of winning would decrease and your win percent would go down. That's why 50/50 is the goal since that means you are playing people you are evenly matched with.
I know it's not perfect but when you get matched like this...
I am using simulated numbers for MMR here.
Team 1
Player 1 MMR = 100 Player 2 MMR = 100 Player 3 MMR = 100 Player 4 MMR = 100 Player 5 MMR = 100
Team 2
Player You MMR = 100 Player 2 MMR = 50 Player 3 MMR = 50 Player 4 MMR = 50 Player 5 MMR = 50
This is why you get wipeouts and the system forces .500 win rate
With these ten players being matched it should have 3 of the MMR 100 players on each team and 2 of the MMR50 players on each team. It has nothing to do with the rest of the player base. This happens when you go on a win streak, deny it all you want but this is simple common sense. When it's so obvious that the system does this to it's players then you have a dumbass creating a stupid illogical algorithm purposely to frustrate it's player base to coddle less skilled players and keep them as players. Players = money to RIOT, screw actual competition.
q O y O p1 votesI know it's not perfect but when you get matched like this...
I am using simulated numbers for MMR here.
Team 1
Player 1 MMR = 100 Player 2 MMR = 100 Player 3 MMR = 100 Player 4 MMR = 100 Player 5 MMR = 100
Team 2
Player You MMR = 100 Player 2 MMR = 50 Player 3 MMR = 50 Player 4 MMR = 50 Player 5 MMR = 50
This is why you get wipeouts and the system forces .500 win rate
With these ten players being matched it should have 3 of the MMR 100 players on each team and 2 of the MMR50 players on each team. It has nothing to do with the rest of the player base. This happens when you go on a win streak, deny it all you want but this is simple common sense. When it's so obvious that the system does this to it's players then you have a dumbass creating a stupid illogical algorithm purposely to frustrate it's player base to coddle less skilled players and keep them as players. Players = money to RIOT, screw actual competition.
It's a disgusting strategy that preys on people's emotions and addiction. If it were in any other "sport" it would be outright banned by the sporting authorities, however, due to the fact there are no regulations surrounding eSports yet this will likely continue.
Picture this system being used in minor league baseball, hockey or football. Do you know how many times the coaching staff would have been beaten up while trying to implement it? The kids would literally Riot.
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It's a disgusting strategy that preys on people's emotions and addiction. If it were in any other "sport" it would be outright banned by the sporting authorities, however, due to the fact there are no regulations surrounding eSports yet this will likely continue.
Picture this system being used in minor league baseball, hockey or football. Do you know how many times the coaching staff would have been beaten up while trying to implement it? The kids would literally Riot.
Oh yeah, I know. I think people are just that gullible or delusional to think this isn't happening here in League because like you said, they can't regulate it.
It is my opinion it is there to keep players interested but that is their right. I just have a huge problem with it because not only is it not fair, it creates toxicity that people get punished for as well.
q O y O p1 votesOh yeah, I know. I think people are just that gullible or delusional to think this isn't happening here in League because like you said, they can't regulate it.
It is my opinion it is there to keep players interested but that is their right. I just have a huge problem with it because not only is it not fair, it creates toxicity that people get punished for as well.
It's the same type of system that Capitalism is based on and you're now seeing that system being slowly dismantled. There are reasons these systems do not work, cause revolt and eventually die. The main one being the design to benefit few based on the efforts of many.
DeathBurst2 votesThat's not at all how a matchamaker works...
The more you win, the more the matchmaker increases its estimation of your skills. For every game, it then tries to match you with other people from the same skill level. That means, after a winning streak, better people against you AND better people with you, not worse, that's just not true.
Once the matchmaker has precisely determined your skill level and the skill level from everyone else, you should, statistically, win 50% of your games, and that's why we say that the matchmaker tries to make sure everyone is at 50% winrate. But the matchmaker never purposefully gives you matches impossible to win. Especially since it means it would give the same impossible-to-win game to the 4 other people on your team who are NOT on a winning streak, so it can't even be consistent.
What you observe is due to the fact that it's pretty hard to have a precise estimation of someone skill level in a 5v5 game, so it can take quite a large number of games before getting a good estimation, plus people are not always consistent over time and can improve as time passes by, and so the matchmaking process is full of error, but it doesn't work at all how you say it does.
Dragfin1 votesThat's not at all how a matchamaker works...
The more you win, the more the matchmaker increases its estimation of your skills. For every game, it then tries to match you with other people from the same skill level. That means, after a winning streak, better people against you AND better people with you, not worse, that's just not true.
Once the matchmaker has precisely determined your skill level and the skill level from everyone else, you should, statistically, win 50% of your games, and that's why we say that the matchmaker tries to make sure everyone is at 50% winrate. But the matchmaker never purposefully gives you matches impossible to win. Especially since it means it would give the same impossible-to-win game to the 4 other people on your team who are NOT on a winning streak, so it can't even be consistent.
What you observe is due to the fact that it's pretty hard to have a precise estimation of someone skill level in a 5v5 game, so it can take quite a large number of games before getting a good estimation, plus people are not always consistent over time and can improve as time passes by, and so the matchmaking process is full of error, but it doesn't work at all how you say it does.
Well agree to disagree because neither one of us knows exactly how it works because RIOT will not publish it. Perception is usually 90% truth and through my experiences it works like my experiences have shown and I know for a fact that I am not the only one who feels this way.
DeathBurst1 votesWell, I have no proof, of course, that it works exactly like I said, but I'm fairly confident that what you described is just impossible. The system won't force a free-lose on 4 other persons who do not deserve it just because it wants to force one on you when you are on a winning spree.
Dragfin1 votesWell, I have no proof, of course, that it works exactly like I said, but I'm fairly confident that what you described is just impossible. The system won't force a free-lose on 4 other persons who do not deserve it just because it wants to force one on you when you are on a winning spree.
Like I said, Agree to disagree but the proof is in the perception IMO.
DeathBurst1 votesYeah, let's agree to ignore basic logic. Or not.
To quote John Oliver: "who gives a sh*t about [your humble opinion]? You don't need people opinion on a fact."
lilpokfluf2 votesYou're gonna win that game trust me. The only games you lose are the ones where your team is ahead at 10 mins
Dreadlocks1 votesVayne is good vs rengar too, kinda shitty that u guys got rekt that hard from a rengo camp :)
dark100dark1001 votesYes, matchmaking. I hate when I clearly knows most about the game in my team. Combine a lv1 and lv9 player against two lv5 players, and the first team just terribly loose.
Despoth1 voteswhat you guy doing about 2nd accounts...someone can be unranked but have a plat account...
warpenguin5551 votesYes. i just had a game last night where the enemy Ashe picked up 4 kills on an invade and we still won in under 30 minutes. When the game stettled back into a laning phase she was up to level 3 almost level 4 with a BF sword, Rek'Sai and I were level 1, Lucian and Syndra were level 2.