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Can we fix Heimer's Toxic kit yet?

SFHFWill·9/22/2016, 7:06:30 PM·10 votes·803 views

I'm so sick of this champion rushing Zz'rot and Hourglass and basically becoming so impossible to kill after that. His pushing power is basically unmatched since he pushes for free, since his turrets have an infinite duration and with Zz'rot this is only amplified, while everyone else has to use mana to shove back. Diving him in a team fight is not an option, ulti+turret+ hourglass, so any sort of counter siege just stops. Either your mid/ADC use a lot of mana to push down his turrets and stall the game out longer, or just let him push all the way in and end the game. This champion gives so much map control it's insane. He's not a great champ if your mid or top got the chance to counter pick. However if you didn't get that chance, hopefully you're playing a champ that can deal with him.

He's super annoying and he's not much fun to play against. There's a huge lack of meaningful counter play to this champ. His turrets need a duration or maybe he can't store any. I'm not sure but that champ is just toxic.

36 Comments

Astôlfo9/22/2016, 7:09:01 PM5 votes

He's weak at the moment, but similar to several other champions, the experience of playing against them is utter cancer. I feel like if they touch on this, they could be given meaningful buffs and actually become better.

S0kaX9/22/2016, 7:07:42 PM3 votes

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ZephyrDrake9/22/2016, 9:01:40 PM2 votes

Heimer is a champion that has very clear strengths and weaknesses, all he does, is bully you in lane and push like crazy while creating a safe zone in which fighting him is a terrible choice most of the time. Outside of that he really offers next to nothing and is easily exploitable. Unless you are using someone who can harass him in lane the best thing to do is just farm the best you can and roam when you have the chance, don't worry about him taking your turret if you are able to create more advantages on other parts of the map you will end up ahead of him and like i said he offers next to nothing outside of the laning phase and pushing

oSEXYPLATYPUSo9/22/2016, 7:10:15 PM2 votes

Heimerdinger win rate 48.32% top 49.78% mid

pick rate top 0.92% pick rate mid 0.61%

yea he is broken

lets complain about a champ that is never played and has below 50% win rate

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Meep Man9/22/2016, 7:09:20 PM2 votes

I would upvote this if almost every ranged champion that goes Middle Lane and Bottom Lane didn't outrange his turrets with their basic attacks.

Leblancs Boob9/23/2016, 6:29:31 AM1 votes

Not sure why this thread is being downvoted tbh. Sure Heimerdinger isn't very strong but he's that way for a reason.... his kit is one of the most toxic, low interaction, low counterplay kits of any champion in the game. Unless you can counterpick him with Syndra you will spend the entirety of laning phase sitting 5 ft. behind your own turret. It also doesn't help that most people will pick Heimerdinger top lane where most champions are melee and can't touch him without getting blasted in the face by turrets.

He needs a full scale rework if he ever wants to be viable and healthy.

Schoenberg9/23/2016, 10:28:29 PM1 votes

His laning phase is cancerous but once you get past that you can eliminate his turrets so easily it doesn't really matter.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo9/22/2016, 7:20:15 PM1 votes

hmm did the OP down vote me for providing stats?

raptillicus9/22/2016, 7:41:50 PM1 votes

Heimer has clear weaknesses. If you bait his turrets' lasers first, diving him doesn't hurt nearly as much. His ult has a low-ish cooldown, but if your champ is mobile its also not that hard to bait out. It's also of limited usefulness: r-q is only helpful if you dive him, r-w is a high damage skillshot, but you can dodge it and its not nearly as high damage is an ult from a real ap burst mage, and r-e can be a nice AOE stun, if your whole team stands on top of each other and watches, which you shouldn't do. His turret hp scales off his ap, so if he goes portal - zhonyas, they wont be that tanky (or do that much damage), and picking them off means you take some hits, but even with a melee champ hit and run on turrets doesn't cost that much hp, especially if you come in with a wave and avoid the lasers. A bigger danger is being stunned in turret range, but donger is hardly the only champ with a cc skill shot that you need to avoid. What really bothers you is the fact that donger can build defensive items and rely on turrets for damage. Annoying, yes, but I refer you to Illoai, Shen, Sion, Mundo etc... Your complaint that if you can't counterpick him he can just crush you is valid for some matchups, but again that's also true of other champs. Pretty much any champion has stronger and weaker matchups. Heimer might be annoying to play against if you get a bad matchup, but he is not toxic to the game.

Hrd2H1t9/22/2016, 9:08:11 PM1 votes

pick syndra you win

GULAG 4 U9/22/2016, 10:32:57 PM1 votes

TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT HEIMER BEING TOXIC

GET DOWNVOTED

SPEW BULLSHIT ABOUT YASUO

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