Quinn.

PepperOniichan··4 votes·1,161 views

Hi everyone!

So far i'm really enjoying all the new updates and the one I was most excited to hear about was Quinn! In fact i went and bought Woad Scout Quinn ahead of time and started to play the crap out of her before the update. What really got me pumped was the fact that you could FLY around the map at insanely high speeds! It takes 5 seconds to get to baron with a rank 3 ultimate and home guards which is insane.

Although it is fun to travel across the maps at high speeds, entering combat isn't as fun anymore. Pre-change Quinn would dash in with massive attack speed and assassinate her targets, although it was very high risk high reward, it was a lot of fun playing as valor alone and clawing out the enemies eyes, plus Valor's attack animation was pretty cool. I've been going positive in most of my games as the new Quinn, she feels more like an adc, except for one thing. They took out her attack speed buff. Can you imagine zipping through the map as fast as you are, finding an enemy, and then all of a sudden feel the disappointment of watching that attack speed? I use attack speed runes, and will always have a Statik Shiv in my build.

Since I figured that the attack speed passive activating after attacking a marked target (Harrier) would be too OP with how much it's triggered (After hitting a target with q and e as well as the passive marks), I suggest this:

While Quinn and Valor are united (Her Ultimate), Quinn can gain up to 100 stacks of Attack Speed: At max stacks quinn will have 50/60/70% increased attack speed for however many seconds seems necessary which I think 5-10 seconds should suffice.

The beautiful thing about this is that people wont be able to spam this early game since her ultimate requires 100/50/0 mana. And late game she needs it to face off against other ad carries/tanks since lets face it EVERY adc has an attack speed buff aside from Lucian(who has a double attack which makes it pretty much the same thing).

I would like to hear the communities opinion on this matter!

Thanks everyone!

18 Comments

Kledy McKledFace2 votes

she could get a 1-2-3-4-5 seconds +75 range on w active (vision could match the range and reveal all champions found for 1-2-3-4-5 seconds). Not a hard buff since her w is like 45 seconds cd but a small help for late game on the last fight

PepperOniichan1 votes

It would be nice if that was the case for her q or e to spotted targets!

Valor Bot2 votes

This would probably be too strong on her, especially since she's getting increased Harrier damage next patch, as well as a vision reduction effect on her Q. I'm with you on the loss of assassin Valor though, playing him was always the cornerstone of her kit for me and I'll miss it.

PepperOniichan1 votes

True she's getting increased harrier damage next patch, but the damage on her q will drop drastically since It won't be %missing health, and the cool down won't be halved on kill :/

Mister Mackey1 votes

Before entering combat usually meant you'd die in the process. Now you can e onto a traget set off skystrike and harrier proc. less damage than the full combo before but now you aren't sacrificing your positioning

PepperOniichan1 votes

That is true, but using vault going into battle makes Quinn extremely vulnerable since it's her only distancing move. So in most cases it's better to use the harrier active from sky strike to kite your enemy and then use vault after they use their gap close

GreedKnight1 votes

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That is true, but using vault going into battle makes Quinn extremely vulnerable since it's her only distancing move. So in most cases it's better to use the harrier active from sky strike to kite your enemy and then use vault after they use their gap close

previously you could use vault to enter battle as valor and depending on the opponent attack and wait to blind or knowing a stun was coming blind as you hit. this left the blind and stun to end in time and also left your vault ready to let u pop valor ult and vault back. the loss of slow is a big hit to any strategic play. no you have to play as a glass canon with an ult that causes you a slow.

Wolfram Oxford1 votes

Not a good idea for a change in my opinion. I think she is fine the way she is, she is strong at duels, can assassinate targets, and has a huge amount of mobility. In my opinion she is one of the strongest champions right now, and I'm sure you'll see that come out in competitive play, but although she is strong I think that they could tweak her q projectile speed to be a bit faster, and then buff up the ultimate damage a bit.

PepperOniichan1 votes

True it is easy to assassinate a target, but what if you get minion blocked making your q useless their goes a harrier proc as well as massive % damage. Because let's be honest if q gets blocked around early/mid game she loses more than half the potential damage. If we're going by the potential to kill someone very fast, then in my opinion graves does not need the attack speed buff he has. His burst at th moment is crazy without the attack speed. Losing out on this attack speed buff for Quinn makes it hard to duel other ad carries

GreedKnight1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Biggus Dikkus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kPusJEAk,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-11-19T18:21:34.289+0000)

True it is easy to assassinate a target, but what if you get minion blocked making your q useless their goes a harrier proc as well as massive % damage. Because let's be honest if q gets blocked around early/mid game she loses more than half the potential damage. If we're going by the potential to kill someone very fast, then in my opinion graves does not need the attack speed buff he has. His burst at th moment is crazy without the attack speed. Losing out on this attack speed buff for Quinn makes it hard to duel other ad carries

your only able to assinsate squishies who are weak at this time. weak jax targets or others just stun and kill her... its sad really

PepperOniichan1 votes

Bump

Cherysse1 votes

It would be better to see her old kit back...

PepperOniichan1 votes

Her old kit was really fun, but it was also the reason why she wasn't viable for any lane except for maybe top. She was either too squishy with assassination potential or Tanky with little damage.

I don't feel like they changed much, in fact it almost feels like a nerf due to her underwhelming harrier damage early game. But a good thing about this is the fact that they added that massive movement speed buff for her harrier proc which makes her a good choice for kiting enemies considering how often it marks them.

I still feel as though there is much room for improvement in making this champion a good pick for every elo

Cherysse1 votes

Her old kit just needed 1 thing, an scape after you took all the risks. If she was able to use her E over the ground (as a dash) andit was reseted after she killed someone with Valor or Skystrike she would had become viable on all ELOS.

Also the other trouble was the recommended build. She benefits way more from armor pen combined with crit, in S5 item 3142 item 3078 and item 3742 did wonders for me (with armor pen and crit runes). Her recommended items didn't benefit her too much, her combo with armor pen and some crit does Wonders, now she is underwhelming in general, has no steroids, her win ratio has fallen a lot and as said she will be more underplayed than ever after some months if the changes to her ult and Q are not reverted.

Remember she was recommended to be built and played as a regular ADC, and she worked a lot better as a brusier assasin.

GreedKnight1 votes

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It would be better to see her old kit back...

agreed

outliving381 votes

Patch 5.22 i palyed 60games with quinn, she feels so wrong to play with, needs an R change too, God please make Riot fix Quinn

PepperOniichan1 votes

Bump

GreedKnight1 votes

I miss old quinn. the ult really doesnt bother me one way or the other. the slow while in the ult urks me however. also the loss of blind is a big hit as i played a strategic defensive quinn. now u have no means to even hit your w when diving an opponent cause you will be slowed by being hit in your ult or will e in and be immediately on the back side of minions. counters are gone for fighting meele champs so you are now smeared by yi/try/jax/xin and the list goes on. her list of counters have grown. if you were the type of quinn who stayed on the fringes and took what u could im sure your loving the speed but as a Quinn who enjoyed to duel and counter meeles for my team in team fights with the blind; I am in mourning.

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