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I just do not understand Ryze

LeftyRaydy·10/15/2018, 4:18:53 PM·1 votes·1,223 views

This is not a complaining thread I really just dont understand what to do about this champion. I will say 2 games in ranked yesterday (high plat) I went against Ryze and his team did win both of these games. Now I did poorly in 1 game 3/6/3, but our bot lane was also 1/8 and 1/6 so that did not really help, but the other I did pretty decent going 7/4/6 but he still was just so tilting to play against. I do not see ryze often, but he is just so oppressive against melee mid champions or at least my main guy Ekko. Things are fine from the start of the lane, but only until he goes back once and then he is completely unstoppable and I just have to stay back and try to farm, and I say try because I can only farm or push with Q and end up missing a lot due to not because able to last hit unless I want to suffer the wrath of empowered Q from my minions being hit. I cant going in on him because of his point and click snare, and with phase rush he's running around way to fast to even think about landing my W on him. and its hard to predict if he will move 1 way or the other as its so easy for him to come at you using his abilities or kite you using his abilities.

I get he may not be that big of a problem with other champions I just dont see the need for him to have a snare ability anymore at least not a point and click snare. I am sitting here playing against this champ thinking to myself all I hear on the boards is how "gutted" this champion was and here he is shitting on me and his damage is absolutely insane with only mana (which I think we need to get rid of mana = + damage champions as a whole not talking about seraph or muramana I am talking about Ryze and Kassadin). Building mana for damage is just a ridiculous concept but that is besides the point.

What is ryze's defined weakness I am not seeing it, or seeing this "gutted" champion with an abysmal win rate the board likes to talk about.

6 Comments

Pika Fox10/15/2018, 5:14:45 PM1 votes

Ryze is essentially the ADC of mages. His damage focuses on DPS over straight burst (although he has more burst and less dps than most traditional ADCs). He also retains a lot of a mages utility.

For this, he sacrifices range. His spells all dont really have a ton of range to them. His early game can also be pretty weak depending on matchup, as he lacks mana to waveclear and dps.

If youre playing ekko into him, he is goong to have the advantage later, as he gets damage from resist items (mana > damage) and ekko has to close in to do his combo, meaning you get inside his threat range for him.

Best bet is likely to shove and roam. Ryze isnt all that great at taking towers (mana > damage is good for him, but ap is what gets checked into towers).

Danjeng10/15/2018, 10:01:00 PM1 votes

I am sitting here playing against this champ thinking to myself all I hear on the boards is how "gutted" this champion was and here he is shitting on me

I know it's hard to admit, but maybe it's not the champion, it's the player. Perhaps he's simply better than you. I mean, I've heard a lot of complaints about Ekko too, but when you win, it's because you did well, not just because of your champion pick right? So the same should apply to the Ryze player.

Anyway, I recommend hardshoving your lane, and using the opportunity to roam. Ryze's mana costs are actually really high, and you can spam q's 24/7 while he scrambles to match your clear. He'll run oom and can't do much.