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Why is Kennen so weak?

Darth Sucadic ··4 votes·2,415 views

This champion has some of the lowest base damage on his abilities I have seen. His level one Q, for example, does less damage than an auto attack, which begs the question, why even have a rank one Q that can be blocked by minions when you can just auto attack instead for more damage and no chance to dodge.

When Kennen tries to kill a minion wave, he has to make himself completely vulnerable to a gank by putting his E+W on cool down. The funny thing is, the minions don't die. They all survive with low health and then die to friendly minions before you have time to auto attack them.

His Lightning Rush is so easily shut down, without flash he would never ult anyone.

I am pretty sure no one complains only because no one plays him. It's an understood shelved champion. He needs a major rework badly.

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gôth gf1 votes

Dude i probably have like a 100% w/r with kennen over like 8 games. Maybe im not THE person to tell you how to play him, but i can help a bit from a intermediate perspective (hes easy once you understand the tempo of his kit)

Like his q imo does a bit too much damage late game, not to mention that in solo queue hes basically free wins if you can get a good ult off until you get to about plat elo when your not playing with monkeys.

kennens wave clear is subpar until like level 10 and after that you basically oneshot the casters.

"His Lightning Rush is so easily shut down, without flash he would never ult anyone"

ehh not really, and i have probably only ever flashed to ult if i miss a target in my ult range and have to stun them, like a caitlyn who tries to escape or lucian who dashes away.

tips:

level up your e second not your w, your w is pretty good, but imo its just preference, i go w max second cuz it feels better to me since more stuns and more damage, but you can easily max e if you like the mobility that much, plus the more you max it the more AS you get after its over.

get protobelt first. ive never ever got anything else first. it gives you higher dueling potential and much more mobility.

dude dont worry, i think i tried kennen out in ARAM when i first got him and just didnt understand hit kit very well. go in practice mode and get the hang of combos and timings, my favorate, and most practical is probably (e,protobelt,ult, into your passive AS from e, Q,W) which allows whoever you chose to Auto cc'ed for about 3 straight seconds, which dosent sound like alot, but when your smacking them with w and q and ult you can basically oneshot an ADC if you get enough ult procs on them.

glhf

Darth Sucadic 1 votes

Two games played, one is ARAM. The other is 4/9/13 loss where you had 2nd lowest damage and 2nd lowest gold. Thanks for the great advice, but no thanks.

Slim Gragas1 votes

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Two games played, one is ARAM. The other is 4/9/13 loss where you had 2nd lowest damage and 2nd lowest gold. Thanks for the great advice, but no thanks.

I don't even play Kennen but i've seen how he is played tons of times through all my years of League, and i could give you pointers on how he is played. But I wont because you were an asshole to the other guy who tried to help you and is advice was pretty sound in my opinion.

Darth Sucadic 1 votes

Except that I don't need advice because I probably have way more games played on Kennen than either of you and I can play and carry just fine on any other champion that I play except Kennen, so it's quite obviously not a problem with me, it's a problem with the champion.

You are implying that it's not the champion, I am just bad, and I'm the ass hole?

Slim Gragas2 votes

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Except that I don't need advice because I probably have way more games played on Kennen than either of you and I can play and carry just fine on any other champion that I play except Kennen, so it's quite obviously not a problem with me, it's a problem with the champion.

You are implying that it's not the champion, I am just bad, and I'm the ass hole?

Dude you are delusional... just... so much. You put out invalid reasons as to why Kennen is a bad champion, and instead of listening to other's advice who have way more experience in the game than you, you just shut them down even though they are helping you. Get off ur high horse, I don't tend to get into what someone's rank is, but you literally don't even have one. There is no way that you can carry as every champion you play BESIDES Kennen. There is no player in League that plays every champion perfectly. You are in for a very rude awakening if you think you've reached the skill cap with multiple champions when you haven't even gotten past silver(as thats what majority of people are placed in on their placements on a new account.).

Darth Sucadic 1 votes

You have nothing to base any of that on other than the match history of a banned account. You hypocritely talk about my match history, yet yours proves you know nothing about this champion. I'm delusional and bad at the game, yet you think you can give advice about a champion you never play just by watching him be played by other. You need to pull your head out of your ass buddy.

Paroe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darth Sucadic ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kFpIkETE,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-19T22:08:07.199+0000)

You have nothing to base any of that on other than the match history of a banned account. You hypocritely talk about my match history, yet yours proves you know nothing about this champion. I'm delusional and bad at the game, yet you think you can give advice about a champion you never play just by watching him be played by other. You need to pull your head out of your ass buddy.

You should take your own advice and stop whining like a munchkin. Your complaints about the champion show volumes about your skill; Kennen is extremely powerful and very difficult to punish in lane. Hes in the same boat as Quinn and graves; Non-traditional marksmen who fly under the radar.

Slim Gragas1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darth Sucadic ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kFpIkETE,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-19T22:08:07.199+0000)

You have nothing to base any of that on other than the match history of a banned account. You hypocritely talk about my match history, yet yours proves you know nothing about this champion. I'm delusional and bad at the game, yet you think you can give advice about a champion you never play just by watching him be played by other. You need to pull your head out of your ass buddy.

You know that by playing against a champion you still learn their strengths and weaknesses right? I know exactly what he does, he hardly even has a weakness because of his high mobility and burst even while he is considered a marksman still, similar to Graves who has avoided nerfs for a VERY long time. I wouldn't go to say hes as broken as Graves but hes definitely a really good champion, his ult is honestly one of the best in the game for a teamfight as it brings good CC and a lot of damage in a wide area. You can easily initiate with lightning rush and protobelt into the enemies, then zhonyas before they can do much about you. Its literally the same engage everytime but its so good.

Rouxful1 votes

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Two games played, one is ARAM. The other is 4/9/13 loss where you had 2nd lowest damage and 2nd lowest gold. Thanks for the great advice, but no thanks.

Gives valid advice to try "no thanks ur bad and i just like complaining. I dont actually want to put in the effort to get better"

5050BS1 votes

ALL of the Energy champs have had full reworks or mini ones but him.

Slim Gragas1 votes

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ALL of the Energy champs have had full reworks or mini ones but him.

Man... look where the Akali rework got her... permbanned.

LPixHill1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darth Sucadic ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kFpIkETE,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-18T01:44:15.224+0000)

This champion has some of the lowest base damage on his abilities I have seen. His level one Q, for example, does less damage than an auto attack, which begs the question, why even have a rank one Q that can be blocked by minions when you can just auto attack instead for more damage and no chance to dodge.

When Kennen tries to kill a minion wave, he has to make himself completely vulnerable to a gank by putting his E+W on cool down. The funny thing is, the minions don't die. They all survive with low health and then die to friendly minions before you have time to auto attack them.

His Lightning Rush is so easily shut down, without flash he would never ult anyone.

I am pretty sure no one complains only because no one plays him. It's an understood shelved champion. He needs a major rework badly.

i im not a nobody :'(

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