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Real toxic behavior and the sad ban system

Darth Sucadic ·12/25/2019, 6:59:15 PM·3 votes·2,226 views

What is REAL toxic behavior?

  • Standing next to an ally and watching him die without trying to help
  • following an ally around the jungle and last hitting monsters that he spends time trying to kill
  • farming lane minions while your team does dragon and baron, resulting in a counter wipe

And so on. This type of behavior is what really destroys games. But is it punished? No, of course not. It is written off as "he's just new or unskilled", which usually is not true. Somehow this "new" player knows how to last hit perfectly, and position, and zone, but he too "new" to know how to help an ally or that he shouldn't last hit steal buffs from the jungler.

Instead, what behavior is actually punished:

  • retaliation: a troll shit talks you, you defend yourself, and you get the ban instead of him.
  • criticism of any kind: telling someone who is feeding to stop being bad or stop being trash and play defensively
  • calling someone dumb because they refuses to group or help the team in any way

And so on. Typing text is severely punished when there is no need to. Everyone can use the MUTE button to silence a jerk. There is no need to take away that person's account that they pay good money for.

Riot is too stupid to realize that bullying actually works and it is essential for human development. Why does that kid go to the gym and work hard on getting huge muscles? because he was bullied in school and teased for being scrawny. Why does that billionaire work so hard to make money? Because he was called a loser by the girls he liked in school and he wants to rub his money in their face for calling him a geek.

When I call someone in the game a noob, I'm not being an ass hole. I want him to realize that his behavior is destroying the game and making it impossible to win. When I tell someone who refuses to help their team a bag of trash, I do it with love. I want them to become aware of their allies and start helping them. It is a team game after all. Does a coach of any sport worry about getting banned when he's hard on a player for screwing up? Not really, not unless he physically beats the player or calls him a little %%%%%%. But with this pathetic company, any criticism is "toxic" and must be punished. They protect the trolls, and punish anyone who says anything to them.

The current punishment system is punishing the wrong people. It protects the real trolls and punishes the players who stand up for themselves and just want to have a good game. Years ago, I would maybe encounter a toxic player every 50 games or so. Then they came out with the Tribunal and it increased to every few games. Now with the current witch-hunt system, pretty much every game is totally toxic and destroyed. Everyone is blaming and fishing for something they can report. Every single loss needs a few players blamed and reported. Maybe 1 in 10 games is a GOOD GAME where both sides just play and have fun.

How this company does not see this is beyond me. The level of denial is unbelievable.

29 Comments

MotherKaiser12/25/2019, 7:08:11 PM6 votes

It all comes down to acting like a human being.

Imperial Pandaa12/25/2019, 8:02:34 PM5 votes

Rarely do I see people literally standing next to someone, watching them die. More often then not I see people try to force what I feel is a bad fight and double down instead of backing off to recover.

Funnel was/is a strategy that exists. So identifying malicious practice of this vs Funnel isn't easy.

If we picked the enemy Jungle, unless I'm the Jungle, i might feel confident in pushing a lane while my team gets an objective since Smite Advantage. Additionally, there are parts in the game when I know it will take 2 or 3 enemies to deal with my push. Giving an advantage to my team. Forces the enemy to make a choice. Send 1 who probably can't deal with me. Send 2 and be at a numbers disadvantage at the objective. Send 5 to find my team and leave me alone to free push.

Now to the second part:

Defending yourself is muting them. It isn't a physical threat where you might have to strike back to preserve your safety. You can mute and boom, defended.

Omg the solution is to just stop being bad? And all I need was some random person on the internet to tell me that? Man, I can't believe I never thought of just not being bad. Challenger here I come! Oh, now I'm getting killed under my tower while trying to play defensively... Buh I'm trying to follow the Sage advice of "don't be bad".

"Stop feeding" "stop being bad" isn't constructive criticism. Try actual HELPFUL information. Next you are going to try telling a person free falling to stop going down.

Difference in strategy is not punishable in most situations. There are admittedly some fringe cases, but those aren't exactly the norm.

rujitra12/25/2019, 8:15:39 PM5 votes

following an ally around the jungle and last hitting monsters that he spends time trying to kill

This literally is punished - and some of the most viewed/seen threads on the boards have been cases where this was punished.

farming lane minions while your team does dragon and baron, resulting in a counter wipe

Nobody is obligated to agree with you. You don't get to force people to do what you want them to. You are not the boss.

criticism of any kind: telling someone who is feeding to stop being bad or stop being trash and play defensively

If all you say is "you're dying too much please play safer" you will not be punished. If you are INSULTING people, you will be punished. It's pretty simple. Insulting people is insulting them - not criticism.

UltimateShield1312/25/2019, 7:05:50 PM3 votes

I've said it a million times in the past and I'll say it again: Chat offenses should not result in a game ban, they should result in a chat ban. Unless it's something like death threats or suicidal encouragement. Those are the only cases that warrant an account ban.

Metal Janna12/25/2019, 8:58:05 PM1 votes

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But with this pathetic company, any criticism is "toxic" and must be punished. They protect the trolls, and punish anyone who says anything to them.

First of all, this is 100% wrong. I main Supporianna so you know I get alot of flame. And I usually don't mute either. I point out their mistakes. I point out that their meta play isn't letting them outperform my nonmeta play. I don't use ZT phrases or swear constantly (it loses impact that way anyway), but I am not nice or friendly to people who blame and flame. I've been playing since Ardent meta and haven't recieved one restriction. My point is: Riot is incredibly forgiving when it comes to "criticism". If you receive a punishment, you earned it. You were not "critiquing", you were full on raging.

Secondly,

Does a coach of any sport worry about getting banned when he's hard on a player for screwing up?

That's your problem. You think you're an authority figure. You're not. Randos aren't going to trust calls/"criticism" from some raging asshole who is, at most, only slightly better at the game than they are. If you were good enough to be an authority figure you wouldn't be matched with them.

Third, you are not getting punished for calling someone's plays "dumb". That is a massive sugercoating of the level of toxicity it takes to trigger a punishment.

Curb your ego and also learn some honesty.

Żügżwäng12/25/2019, 8:20:52 PM1 votes

Just type in chat objectively what said player is doing without flaming and accept the game is lost. Write a report after game and move on without giving them a reaction.

It is extremely unfortunate that these players can ruin games with burner accounts. Riot should find these players and punish them faster. But you reacting and getting yourself banned is what they want. Should you be allowed to flame actual troll aholes who ruin the integrity of the game? Riot says no, so follow their rules in the future.

In a sense though. Reacting negatively to trolls is exactly what they want. So you not reacting is the best way to get back at them. Write a comment in chat documenting what they are doing since riot looks at chat logs first likely maybe time stamp , and leave it at that. Report after and move on

Kei14312/25/2019, 7:21:26 PM1 votes

There are times my team has called for dragon, I look at the map, the power spikes from items and levels and determine it's a super bad call so I stay in lane to farm.

Like .. why would I want to be at dragon pit when the enemy has Malphite, MF and Nami that just hit their power spikes and we don't have bot lane priority?

They get wiped at drag and call me a troll and toxic, where they shouldn't have been there in the first place. Who's the troll now?