Question About Sejuani Rework

Joskonathon·Apr 15, 2017·5 votes·4,900 views

So in the announcement it specified that both Sejuani and her melee allies can begin smacking away at enemies to apply Permafrost. Being melee only obviously adds strategic value.

But once the Permafrost is applied, can ranged allies also stack it?

So say there's a bot lane of Ezreal and Nami. Obviously they can't start stacking Permafrost on their own. But once Sejuani gets into melee range and applies the first instance of Permafrost, will their basic attacks then contribute to the stacking? Or is it still melee only?

26 Comments

RiotMeddlerApr 15, 201713 votes

No, ranged allies can neither start Permafrost nor stack it. Sejuani's got a strong melee specific synergy, in part because we wanted to got for a heavy cavalry leading a tribe full of up close and personal warrior types feel.

FlemmanApr 15, 20171 votes

did she gave them ms?

LankPantsApr 15, 20179 votes

I feel like this will be far too restricting to the champ select process. It just seems like a pointless restriction which arbitrarily forces Sejuani to play in melee heavy comps. Ultimately gameplay needs to come before thematics and this being melee only is heavily detrimental to gameplay, a player's champion shouldn't just be shit if their team doesn't pick for extreme synergy.

Meep ManApr 15, 20172 votes

Sejuani can apply it too, it's just synergy boosts it.

LankPantsApr 15, 20175 votes

From what I've seen though so much of Sejuani's power is tied up in the stuns that if you can't get multiple in a teamfight she's just a bad champion. She lost her AOE stun, she can no longer do what she used to in engaging, so if you try to pick her without melee synergy she'll be a useless champion even if she can stun one or two champs.

PsykohApr 15, 20172 votes

U haven't even played or seen her yet gtfo

LankPantsApr 15, 20174 votes

I can understand what the changes will do though. I've played more games of Sejuani than almost anyone else on these boards, I've played Sejuani for around 6 years now, since before her original rework. I understand how her kit works and I'm currently quite pessimistic about her outlook.

She's losing her engage, she doesn't have her large AOE stun anymore, which is a huge loss of power. In order to get that AOE back she effectively needs the support of melee champions. You can see what her W looks like if you watch the video, she's rarely going to hit multiple people with it, so her ability to stack her own passive will be mostly single target.

She absolutely will need melee allies to reach the same level of effectiveness she has currently. She'll struggle to stun up multiple targets alone.

I'd even prefer if Sej's E was restricted to just her stacking it, at least then you'd be able to let her stack it in less hits and make her ult more threatening by having it stack up her passive (if it already does do this I'll rescind this, can't really be sure yet).

DunkinNoobsApr 15, 20174 votes

I'm not a fan either. I've got 200k mastery on Sejuani and this rework looks terrible unless the numbers are insane. I'll have to play it to be sure but it looks like a huge step down from what I've seen so far.

EROTIC RAID BOSSApr 15, 20171 votes

it sounds like she'd be a good pick if your mid laner plays zed or talon, you get AP to make up for their pick and synergize really well with assassins to boot.

LankPantsApr 15, 20171 votes

I actually don't think Zed or Talon are going to be particularly optimal champions to work with Sejuani's E. They're melee, sure but they're low attackspeed squishy melees. There's also a good chance that they'll kill a squishy before the stun becomes a factor.

Who you'd actually want are tanky bruisers who attack quickly. Irelia, Jax, Shyvana, Shen ect. Maybe also champs like Yi, Fiora and Tryndamere. Renekton Also gets an honourable mention for being able to AA 4 times almost instantly with his AA-Fury W, most likely Sej requires 5 stacks (that would be my guess for the number anyway) so this would leave the enemy 1 AA off of another stun, if it's 4 you just cut out the first AA.

Also another potential oddity of this, does Sejuani now want attack speed? Is she going to buy something like a Phantom Dancer or Wit's End which still offers her survivability but which allows her more stuns? My gut feeling on this is yes, unless Riot has made that new W very spamable and made it interrupt her AAs, which would really hurt her jungle.

EROTIC RAID BOSSApr 15, 20171 votes

Well you can usually get a melee bruiser or tank up top mid lane is a position though where you'd see a big impact from having an assassin over a mage with sejuani. Fast attack speed isn't necessarily the issue if you're all trying to hit someone plus assassins have good target selection and mobility.

Also tank supports over mages.

I agree in a little concerned she'll be too niche I like to be able to play my favorite champions every game if I want not just when we get the right comp

LankPantsApr 15, 20172 votes

Sure, but why should you expect your top laner who mains Vlad not to play Vlad because you main Sejuani or vies versa. It's too restrictive on champ select, far too restrictive.

EROTIC RAID BOSSApr 15, 20171 votes

Yeah I agree with you if the synergy difference is that big. Feel like you didn't read my whole post lol.

I mean who still plays vlad top but yeah I don't really like it when you feel like you can't play your own champion comfortably with any team. Which is why I don't bother learning ad mid laners

TotalJerkApr 15, 20171 votes

Zed doesn't need his autos when he's ahead, and they are risky to use when he's behind. He'll likely only be useful for Sejuani when he's in that sweet spot between those two.

Sexy Jack RabbitApr 15, 20171 votes

Is there an interaction between her new E and Ult? Like if you start stacking someone with E and you ult it adds a stack?

Linna ExcelApr 15, 20171 votes

The odds of that happening in either solo queue or pro play are?

AptestApr 15, 20172 votes

Can you give some context on why you choose to give coin a "house cleaning time" chore class minigame ?

And can you replace said chore for when rioters play, with coming to my house and cleaning the floors, dishes, doing the laundry etc ?

P.S. windows need done too.

The Last BalladApr 15, 20171 votes

Im not even sure what you are trying to say. The way they described coin, it is like Thresh's passive, but gives gold instead of free stats.

AptestApr 16, 20172 votes

yes

it's boring.

boring minigame, fun reward is not a good paradigm.

exciting minigame fun reward is the desirable state.

HowldoomApr 17, 20171 votes

Part of the impetus behind that was to make it so that Sej couldn't upstage Braum as a support, right? I can visualize the problems if a bot buddy could enable a point-and-click stun that doesn't seem to require her to actually be the one hitting the enemy...

Still, if Sejuani doesn't have a reliable way to get Permafrost stacks on enemies then a lot of her functionality as a champion seems to have been offloaded to extreme dependence on melee ally competency - assuming she has no ways to get Perma stacks, all she can do is charge and apply a large slow, which a lot of other champions can do with more devastating results.

GrandpaTheGreatApr 17, 20171 votes

Have you considered making it so people just have to be in melee range to stack it? Just curious is all

ChønklordApr 15, 20174 votes

Sejuani Braum Galio Trundle Ashe

#Dream Team

morris1Apr 15, 20172 votes

Galio blends in so well with other Freljord champions.

Sad TyrantApr 15, 20171 votes

You forgot Lissandra

WitchQueen AnnieApr 15, 20173 votes

Guess I'll be playing Amumu instead. =(

SetzalApr 16, 20172 votes

I'm not gunna go and be that guy that moans because it's my main, But... I felt like league was in a good spot for once and now all these tank updates are coming? Not sure where riot get these ideas that sejuani needs a Calvary feel or a sense of leader ship.. Yes her kit is lacking and the ult is a big game changer but thats what makes the champ what it is... The same as amumu, galio (new and old), hecarim, basically any aoe cc ult. You have to be able to hit them to gain the rewards from them. This talking of changing pretty much everything isnt great to hear.. the game should be going forward, yes, but don't you think there should be polls that players can vote and decide on certain things? Kudos to the galio and warwick rework but some of the others have just been completely lacking and uneeded and i dont want to see this happen to my main since season 3.