Rengar changes bugs and feedback thread.

RiotAD Yuumi·2/22/2018, 2:51:46 AM·18 votes·14,486 views

Hi friends, As you may have noticed, everyone's favorite knifecat has a substantial set of changes coming for him in 8.4. This is a thread to post your feedback on said changes, and also report any nasty bugs you might be running into.

If you're curious about WHY we made these changes, here's a link to the PBE thread where we list out our reasoning

I guarantee we didn't get him exactly right in terms of tuning with this patch, so we'll be keeping our eyes on him through 8.6 and make improvements/buffs/nerfs/fixes where necessary. Tell us what you think! Thanks for the feedback <3

I'll list any changes we're planning/validating for the next patch below:

-Fixing a bug where at high attack speed values Rengar gets a free attack after leaping -Looking into reports of bonetooth VO spam while casting abilities. -More to come...

TONIGHT WE HUNT!

96 Comments

Onotori2/22/2018, 3:13:16 AM11 votes

Why are you reverting him when the entire goal of his rework was to increase counterplay? All you're doing is turning him back into a braindead clicker that deletes people in less than a second (he already does that, but now it'll be easier).

MetaVolca2/22/2018, 2:54:50 AM8 votes

Hey jinxylord, this may be off topic but huge thanks for doing this revert (I hope to get Rengar soon) and thanks for creating all of my favorite League champions! Seriously yours are always so fun to play. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

RiotAD Yuumi2/23/2018, 8:07:16 PM6 votes

Repertoire was kind enough to hookup some DELAY REMOVAL for Rengar's ferocity. Should be seeing it in today's PBE update.

Additionally, a hotfix went out last night (should be live now) that fixed his bonetooth VO spam and Q fizzles.

PBE -Lockout time before Rengar can cast empowered spells reduced to .1 from .25

LIVE HOTFIX -Fixed a bug where Rengar would spam bonetooth lines while casting spells -Fixed a bug where when Rengar attacked with Q just as the buff expired, the spell would fizzle.

More to come.

KoKoboto2/22/2018, 3:04:38 AM4 votes

Fourth. Why does Rengar get to have an AP build but Malzahar doesn't get an AD build.

NewGuy1012/23/2018, 12:22:36 AM4 votes

Yeah, I just noticed a pretty big bug that hurts Rengar, and then it went invisible and started double hopping all over my team. Please fix this.

TequilaZombie2/22/2018, 4:47:09 PM3 votes

I don't play Rengar (would very much love him if I didn't sucked at the champion), but I gotta say: Thank you so fucking much for making this kind of threads.

LyingOnLine2/22/2018, 10:25:12 PM3 votes

Egh. Seen nothing but Rengars get fed and build assassin to instantly delete ADCs all game long.

You massively overtuned him, dude.

The Yetii Rider2/22/2018, 6:39:06 AM2 votes

Is there a reason you decided to try and push item 3078 / item 3100 on a champion that has no mana? That seems awkward.

Red Wreckage2/22/2018, 11:28:54 AM2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot jinxylord,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k6plgqEA,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-22T02:51:46.010+0000) and also report any nasty bugs you might be running into.

a fed Khazix is a pretty nasty bug. fix plz

Yautja wannabe2/26/2018, 4:18:41 AM1 votes

I've been experimenting a lot with this version of Rengar, and my personal favorite build is item 1400 item 3047 item 3078 item 3742 item 3065 item 3053 or something like that. I'm a little bummed by the fact that I still have to go bruiser in order to have any kind of success on this champ, but at least he ain't clunky no more! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

I do have a question though. What if Rengar's W were changed so that it grants a shield scaling with his bonus AD rather than healing him for 50% of the damage he's recently taken? Wouldn't that make his clearing in the jungle healthier while also rewarding players for going full damage or bruiser?

unlucky onion2/26/2018, 11:08:23 PM1 votes

Hi, I would like to comment on my opinion about rengar, being a main since season 4 with 400k mastery points. I have to say that the lategame is not bad, but the jungle is an early game role, and rengar in that phase is very weak so it always stays behind and never returns to the game, so I think that first You should increase the damage or stamina of the game early. On the other hand it takes to cast the E in the middle of the jump, for which reason, this ability is failed multiple times and it is somewhat difficult to hit the combo to kill. I remember that jinxylord would buff to give in patch 8.5 if it came out very loose ... you just have to see that it is the second champion with the least winrate of the game (the first one is zoe). I hope this is fixed. Thank you.

Enristyle2/27/2018, 12:25:26 PM1 votes

Really nice changes coming in pbe, those bug fixes are needed now please dont forget also fix Full Ferocity SFX, still so low and does not differentiate.

unlucky onion3/1/2018, 9:56:57 PM1 votes

i think u should buff the empowered Q too, Im not wrong, right?

Diamond2Kappa2/22/2018, 5:15:18 AM1 votes

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Śhunpo2/22/2018, 8:35:43 AM1 votes

Ok so, the sound that plays when you reach 4 stacks of ferocity (max) is so quiet I can barely even hear it. Please look into making it louder! Also look into restoring the old jump sound effect.

Hügö2/22/2018, 5:06:53 PM1 votes

My concern is the loss of ferocity while out of combat. In a meta where early game decides nearly everything the loss of ferocity out of combat gives little potential for pre 6 ganks. To compenaste for the stacking and prevent the infamous "snare out of invis" let us lose all the stacks when we activate ult.

It would increase the early game pressence of Rengar while keeping away the burst or snare out of ult.

ÈvilMorty2/22/2018, 11:40:38 PM1 votes

So why does rengar get single target one shot assassin potential and a cleanse? Im all for his w healing him but a cleanse as well seems a bit too strong for an assassin to have.

rtbf1014785042/23/2018, 9:32:00 PM1 votes

All these comments of people complaining about rengar, you are forgetting one things, if a rengar goes full dmg. Yes he will one shot you, thats his job. If you buy a GA however, if he ults you in teamfights, his is garunteed death unless he has GA or is insanely fed. If he has GA, and you do too. You can escape with any mobility or protection from supports, he doesnt have anything of the sort built into his kit, and cant be picked off. Hes high risk high reward. Dont be dumb, buy a GA

Caenen2/23/2018, 11:12:35 PM1 votes

Are you already aware of a bug where Rengar's special resource is (once again I believe) able to get restored by mana potions, gaining Ferocity stacks rapidly while the potion is ticking? Now to get mana potions, you obviously have to have Klepto, and ofc the main bug is rengar getting Mana potions from klepto...but whatever the cause, it's here. It's not a common case because of how few people think of Klepto on Rengar, and it's bound to a low drop chance aswell as a temporary thing. Hard to abuse because of the lack of awareness and not gamebreaking, i wonder if you can sneak in a hotfix without disabling Rengar...unfortunately I'm not the one too judge that and my lack of playing rengar doesn't even allow me to say whether this bug is a huge issue (powerlevel wise) or not.

If QA does check it out, other 'secondary resource gains' should probably be checked aswell: I dont know if e.g. the sustain shrine on 3v3 is supposed to grant rengar a charge or not, and neither do I know if it does or not.

I don't know how fast this can reach QA over this 'port', or if you have it reported already; but I sure hope it's an easy and quick fix without getting too much attention. Vandiril is also aware of this bug and we'll probably see a highlight of it on his channel today or tomorrow, if he got a replay from someone already - which is not unlikely.

Have a nice day, in any case!

AlbYiKiller2/23/2018, 11:14:29 PM1 votes

why did you revert the passive changes where it would have give bonus ap and ad?

Knife Kitty Cat2/24/2018, 6:44:22 AM1 votes

I love how Rengar feels, but his damage is actually abysmal. Compared to the Rengar before the recent change, this new one can't do the same job with the same amount of items, in fact, he does less with more items, which is something that doesn't quite make sense. I've played a few dozen games with him, trying out different builds, and he is quite frankly, garbage.

I can't feel the armor shred buff when leaping to the eyed target. It feels like it does nothing, tanks sneeze on his damage, and assuming you're building him like intended, he'll die the moment he jumps in and can't do his job. His power spike is not well defined. Even after buying Duskblade, Tiamat, Ghostblade, the enemy ADC walked away with 40% HP from my initial leap out of stealth. His jungle clear is also abysmally slow, Red buff and Blue buff should not be taking 10 seconds to kill with 2 items when champions like Jax basically murder it in half the time.

#BringBackSeason3Rengar