Evelynn Needs a Buff.

Halodjin Tyr··5 votes·3,535 views

went in on a 20% hp zed at level 6, he was level 7, landed my charm, Got the Q e q q R combo off, and it was Completely absorbed by Nullifying Orb/hexdrinker. Or I'll try and go in on a Thresh, and not only do I have to deal with Nullifying orb, but Aftershock as well! my level 6 is supposed to be a Power house, I'm no where near as effective as JarvanIV Hecarim Jax LeeSin Kled Khazix Kayn Kayle MasterYi Nautilus RekSai Rammus Quinn Nocturne Pyke Poppy Pantheon Shyvana Riven Udyr Tryndamere Zac the Length of time to Get a wind up, against this entire line up of competitive junglers is so dismal that they have usually snowballed the Game so hard for all the lanes that by the time I hit 6 and can start being Impactful the games already on the way to being over, Because they can destabilize bot they secure the Dragons, I've now gotten so Good at Stealing Dragon, or solo farming him before the enemy Jungler is ready for it, that it's ridiculous. AT MOST I can do 20-50% of a persons Hp, even when I have a level advantage, until I've built 4 items, then I start being a threat! I used to be able to stay a little relevant and be annoying for awhile, but with the Recent buffs to almost all my competition, and the adcs I'm not nearly the threat I should be until about 25 minutes into the game, by then they have gotten about 4 dragons and if their any good a baron.

and saying oh well she has invis, These days people move to fricken Fast, with so many Dives, Pretty much everyone is invis these days. I either want my Physical Build back, or an actual Execute like pyke attached if they are bellow 10%hp! or something. I'm designed to Work with my Team, but You try Working in a team fight trying to peg down Lucian Caitlyn Vayne MissFortune in a team fight, they see the charm and start backing out so hard as I go in, that I'm usually dead before I can get close enough to cast Q!

at least Old eve, could Engage and attack Caitlyn, and maybe even run her down Good luck doing that now Between item 3147 the new runes, and item 3153 It's not happening. pretty much the ONLY thing I can take down in a team fight these days is Teemo, or heavy AP champions. I used to be able to Kill Xerath Definitely not happening anymore between all the barrios/runes he has until very late in the game. pretty much all I do these days is Soften em up for the adc to Murder/run over after they Blow abilities on me, but since so many people have a point click stun (even if it's skill shot the arrow kind of tells em where to fire) I mean what chance do you really have ? these champions now clear/run so fast that I can usually get chased off both skuttles, the best Eve players in the world don't even bother with skuttle anymore, and rely on their Team to help with Objectives meanwhile I just watched a Kayle solo A dragon and walk away at full healthy, I can't do that until like 30 minutes in, and by then it's usually elder, and he kicks my ass too.

but when you Time the amount of time, and effort it takes for The enemy Junglers to Solo Jg objectives like dragon, or how unhealthy doing it makes them with eve It's a total shit show! Especially in low Ello when half the game is soloing dragon yourself because you can't get Botlane to come help you, even if you successfully Kill their laners because the Turret gold is so important to get now!

My lane pushing/Tower pushing is SO low I can't even Take advantage of this new turret gold unless I get the rift herald! meanwhile almost every other jungler in the Game is Melee and gets Rewarded For ganking lanes, which they do easier so they get a massive Gold lead!

I mean how am I supposed to Early game compete or mid game compete when they Can get the skuttles and the turret golds faster then I can even keep up because they also have run speed buttons out the yinyang

Do you have ANY idea how frusterating it is, to try and Get a kill off, when Jg Kayle ADC Taric support Sona and top lane Shen and Midlane Lissandra are all running around in one game ? You FUcking Try it!

your legit so Worthless, that the best impact you can have is sneaking around stealing your enemy Junglers camps and hope he doesn't get pinks.

and Top laner Bruisers Getting Nullifying ORb, first building item 3091 is legit a nightmare.

23 Comments

Autrah Fang3 votes

Personally, I'm half tempted to start building a item 3077 item and some attack speed/bruiser on Eve at this point. Then maybe I can clear jungle half decently, and still do the same thing in team fights cuz the charm is really all she's useful for at this point. (and even then it's not really that great cuz of the 2 second wind up time)

Or maybe even take her top with the same idea, and play like an early game Kayle.

Moon Mom2 votes

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Personally, I'm half tempted to start building a item 3077 item and some attack speed/bruiser on Eve at this point. Then maybe I can clear jungle half decently, and still do the same thing in team fights cuz the charm is really all she's useful for at this point. (and even then it's not really that great cuz of the 2 second wind up time)

Or maybe even take her top with the same idea, and play like an early game Kayle.

She has 0 AD scaling and has fast clear... why would you build Tiamat or any type of bruiser item? Just stat check with AP.

Halodjin Tyr1 votes

to I don't know, Push lane ?

lightnezumi3 votes

LOL, if you can't kill a low hp Zed on Eve it's a sign that you're trash, not the champ.

Halodjin Tyr3 votes

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LOL, if you can't kill a low hp Zed on Eve it's a sign that you're trash, not the champ.

Did you Legit just make this account to say this ? never played a Game even, what are you an anonymous Designer ? if so Come at me in Privates Man have I got a bone to pick with you. Starting with you know what I really like the new changes to The Jg I'd say it's almost on Point feeling a lot more healthy this patch thank you, I have a Few complaints with Dragon and rift I'd like to Express. Starting With Nunu/Warwick and champions like that Just having a Much healthier Time competing for Major jungle objectives this could be fixed simply by giving Dragon a Burn Effect, not allowing Healing From Self Sources. Dragon Should be a TEAM effort, not a Effortless 1 man Camp spawn, and if it is a Effortless 1 man Camp spawn it should take Forever to Solo that Really really hurts so Anybody and their dog can Punish you for it if your discovered.

Or maybe I'm having Problems with ZED Because my Starting Level E does Less Damage then my Auto attacks, unless you have High Health, zed doesn't. My Q is hard to Land because not only am I visable walking towards him at level 3, But I'm also Revealing my approach with the charm. I am Designed Not to hurt at those levels, and the Masteries/items he gets to Pick give him some pretty Nice Magic barriers making Low level Gameplay Terrible if he decides to Invade my Jg. It's legit Free kills, I don't know why Every zed doesn't buy a Pink for Red buff and just fuck you up and go after 6, I mean he usually gets to 6 with a 2 level lead anyway. Plus this game still has this Wonderful Glitch with my E damage only Chunking % of Barrior Health instid of Max health, or at least that's what it feels like it's doing as Boots like item 3047 seem to be working it's passive against my Magical Attack because it seems to Count as a Physical in terms of Procs.

so a Zed who Takes Sorcery Globe in his Masteries, Has item 3047 and starting Item item 3155 can be Quite difficult for me to Injure.

and in Terms of Barrios I KNOW my E isn't functioning Properly because if I land the Charm on a Yasuo or LeeLeeSin who has a Barrior up and i E them they Don't lose any Health, The Yasuo barrior is only supposed to absorb a Small amount of Health on his passive, Yet if I go in when their Barrior is Down land the Charm and E I legit Murder them.

Halodjin Tyr2 votes

With the way Evelynn is now, it's Pretty much the same thing as Having a Ally AFK for 10 minutes How can with one hand say, We are buffing Sejuani because we realize Having a Jg afk until level 6 is Too toxic for the Team, and then Rework Eve to be the same thing, and then Nerf her into the Ground for that accomplishment!

Evelynn is in a Stupid place right now, she's supposed to be an assassin but really she's a Support mage.

Honestly you Fucked her hard in the Rework, You sit their and say Oh gee how she has CC! Old eve Could Build Tank/ADc/MAge/ go Invis/ and AOE CC a team for 20% of max Hp Meanwhile my New Ult Takes about 20%hp, I run at them 60% slower, and I can't use item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 anymore! MY R that pulls me away from Combat isn't effective at all as an Escape most of the time, because even if I go over a wall, Most champions can just follow up and chase me over it, and have a Run speed Button Like youmous to continue to chase me down! If I had a Caster version of item 3142 it wouldn't be so bad but I don't.

VoraciousX1 votes

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With the way Evelynn is now, it's Pretty much the same thing as Having a Ally AFK for 10 minutes How can with one hand say, We are buffing Sejuani because we realize Having a Jg afk until level 6 is Too toxic for the Team, and then Rework Eve to be the same thing, and then Nerf her into the Ground for that accomplishment!

Evelynn is in a Stupid place right now, she's supposed to be an assassin but really she's a Support mage.

Honestly you Fucked her hard in the Rework, You sit their and say Oh gee how she has CC! Old eve Could Build Tank/ADc/MAge/ go Invis/ and AOE CC a team for 20% of max Hp Meanwhile my New Ult Takes about 20%hp, I run at them 60% slower, and I can't use item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 anymore! MY R that pulls me away from Combat isn't effective at all as an Escape most of the time, because even if I go over a wall, Most champions can just follow up and chase me over it, and have a Run speed Button Like youmous to continue to chase me down! If I had a Caster version of item 3142 it wouldn't be so bad but I don't.

Oh god I miss my duskblade Evelynn builds....Duskblade Trinity Force Eve made me feel like a real assassin. This new Eve makes me feel like I'm the one who should be scared in the dark unless I'm playing vs idiots who misposition easily. I want her old W back mainly.

Moon Mom2 votes

You're joking, right? Eve is a stat check champ that focuses on taking advantage of players who don't know how to either ward properly or play against her pathing. She's quite toxic up until D3/D2, and was even worse to deal with when she could hide behind turrets and stuff.

Sillae2 votes

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You're joking, right? Eve is a stat check champ that focuses on taking advantage of players who don't know how to either ward properly or play against her pathing. She's quite toxic up until D3/D2, and was even worse to deal with when she could hide behind turrets and stuff.

Literally every champ has stat checking, I don't get why people think it's the worst thing ever.

Eve punishes out of position, lone squishy targets, but she herself is really squishy, with little escape (for an assassin) outside of her R. Her charm lets you know she's coming for 2.5 seconds before it procs, if you aren't in a safe area by then you were out of position.

She's easily kept track of with control wards, or warding her camps (but like anyone does that).

Her early is goddamn awful (even Kayn beats her 1v1), and any strong early jung can invade her and make her downright useless all game. She's no Yi who presses Q and is now unkillable until he comes out, only to be in it again in a second, she's no Zed that gets in, slaughters the most important person, and out easily with shadows.

She can't even really choose the ideal target most of the time, only the one most out of position, which honestly is how assassins should work.

Compare Eve to Zed, LeBlanc, Fizz, etc. Out of every assassin, Evelynn is one of the few that doesn't make you want to bash your head against the keyboard when they press their "delete enemy" button.

I uh, don't want her to get buffed though, cause then she'd get hard nerfed right after.

Halodjin Tyr1 votes

Honestly I agree for the most part, Except she can only Assassinate Squishes who are out of position, and in most games those squishes are few and far in between. I just want her to be able to Compete With other Junglers, for Objectives! the Only Jungler worse then her for Jg objectives is Taliyah but at Least Taliah can Punish Out of position Junglers starting level 1! I am such a low threat Level to other junglers that all I can do is sit and Watch them, or run around them in circles waiting for backup, and if the backup doesn't come and his does, now I'm the idiot out of position. and when the JarvanIV Quinn and Zed Nocturne can just Jump in and slaughter the Key players, and I can't do the same in the team fights, suddenly I'm the guy getting flamed.

some of these guys Move so Quickly to engage, that I can't Even get to lanes fast enough to support laners when they are ganking! here are some people who just move so Fast that I'm now taking Predator just so I can get their in time! AurelionSol Camille Hecarim JarvanIV LeeSin Kled Khazix Kayn Kayle MasterYi RekSai Rammus Pyke Pantheon Nunu Nocturne Rengar Riven Shyvana Skarner Trundle Talon Taliyah Udyr Twitch Warwick Quinn Or just to escape when They are running Down River and I meet them awkwardly. Especiallly since they move so fast they don't have to wait until they are out of position! they can Just Roll around so fast with so little warning that they are in and out (like zed) faster then anybody Can actually Hope to outplay! I mean why do I gotta have a 2.5 second reveal/wait followed by the actual Skill of good positioning with 3-4 seconds of Vulnerability when Zed can just Teleport dash in Youmous Go invon, drop a insta kill button, and teleport out. I mean Christ I watched a Nasus 1 shot a tower 100% to Dead today!

Mavëríck2 votes

Zed built to counter you. You got counter built dude. This is working as intended and idk what to tell you OP other than simply git gud.

Halodjin Tyr1 votes

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Zed built to counter you. You got counter built dude. This is working as intended and idk what to tell you OP other than simply git gud.

I honestly just want Old Eve back, she was a lot more Enjoyable, Being a Hybrid Champion she was Great, I feel as if I was put into a Small niche of usefulness with this Rework, I Climbed up to 1.6mil on old eve, now that new eves out I barely play anymore, I'm maybe at 1.7mil now. That's Fun lost. I really love the new artwork, the fact that she no longer says it's hard to run like this in heals, and she Doesn't have Any level of Decent Run speed anymore kind of Blows. I'd love to see her E reworked to Slowely make you run faster as the Game goes on, or as you level up the E range Extended as well. but meh. Or maybe the E making you Run faster and you cast the E attack when your In lunge range that would be nice as well, but as it stands it's really frustrating to Enjoy.

These days the Games I enjoy the Most are the Games I go Full Tank Spec and just sit untop of the ADC waiting for somebody to Dive or cast a long range ability on him/her, It's oddly satisfying to take a Cait Trap for a Vayne who is chasing down her target when cait thinks she has the Upperhand.

VoraciousX1 votes

I agree! Revert Evelynn.

Halodjin Tyr1 votes

In order to make Eve Viable again, You either need to have her R cut through Spellshields/do true Damage on charmed Targets, or Remove Runes like Aftershock, and Nullifying orb from the game. I mean, Leona can have Aftershock, Nullifying Orb, and item 3307 to give herself a barrior I went in on a 8%hp leona (didn't land the Charm only got the slow) She popped her W after landing her stun and Legit Powered her way through my QQQ E R and took 0 dmg (she also took a few xerath spells) Meanwhile Support Pyke will easily land a Quadra in team fights.

My point is, Pyke is an assassin, Evelynn is a Support mage, who is mostly just annoying. I feel she's made that way because if She got Kills adc's would complain about kill stealing, I honestly feel she was designed with the Idea to Feed Lanes Instead of Feeding herself, if that's the Case Rewrite Her Speaking comments, and rewrite her as a Support mage, because that's what you have right now.

MessyStuff1 votes

Ok, one thing though, she actually has a decent winrate. It's positive. https://champion.gg/champion/Evelynn/Jungle

Halodjin Tyr1 votes

I won't dispute that, my problem is for a Large amount of the game, it's honestly just NPC farming When you lane you get to Combat your Laner! I can't Combat my Competitor Jungler in an impactful way the same way they can with me. they can Legit Roll into my Jg at any Time take my camps and kill me, their have been a lot of Junglers that I've found while I'm Visible level 3-5 a 20% hp enemy Jungler, get the full W Q E QQ Combo off, with the extra damage of a smite, and still die to them. I will NOT dispute that Eve's late game is powerful, but her Early game is honestly not only boring as heck, Disappointing to play as you watch the Enemy Solo Rift/Dragon as your Mid/Bot are backed and you can't punish them. you can't get the Charm off properly because the dragons in the Way, and secondly If I tried to do that when dragons at 10% hp I'm also at 10% hp but for All the enemy Junglers except Taliyah they can stay Pretty Healthy soloing the dragon. I learned a long time ago with old eve, if you can hit the whole team with your 20% max Hp ult and die in a team fight, usually your team is going to come out on top because they are fighting at a massive disadvantage, late game Eve depending on the team comps R at 30 minutes in Can be devastating if you can get it off in the right position. Most junglers Can Solo Dragon at 4, at 4 I can't even get close enough to steal yet.

Succubús GF1 votes

Theres a reason why shes such a high ban in kr. She doesnt need buffs. You have 1.8 million points on her. You should know that. Except you build wonky shit like swifties and expect to do damage?

Halodjin Tyr1 votes

But The Barrior Problem I suspect stems between the Damage Reduction of my E counting as a Physical Melee Magic Attack (despite no longer doing Physical Damage) but since it Applies on hit Melee attack procs it also seems to apply On hit Physical Defenses So as I said Earlier item 3047 is proving to be a Very annoying Pick against me as Eve, when you add that to item 3046 item 3076 and item 3812 things are Going very weirdly. Especially if they are cool enough to also be allowed to build item 3156 having said this Since I don't get to build a lot of these items on Eve, I'm not sure Phantom Dancer and Maws Overshields can function together, But I would love to see the Math Background on Damage Reduction and Overshields, how it's mathematically Done for it, and %dmg. I legit did a Video on it once for Lee, where I slowed it down and Proved it was working that way, Posted it to riot and a few patches Later Lee and Barriors where Supposedly Fixed, but if you Over Damage a Barrior it Seems to give you a Sivir spell shield sometimes for the Raw Physical Damage.

ShyImagoghnar1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Halodjin Tyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k3Kq3ArA,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-06-21T21:07:11.757+0000)

https://plays.tv/video/58047cb42dfc8408ad/tripple-kill-?from=search&game_id=b179585c6b68a2791eea4a1ad3d7ef72&leagueoflegends%3Asummoner=HalodjinnTyr-NA There is no doing this anymore.

garen and old Eve were the only reason i played URF lmao

Sylaelque1 votes

Eve didn't need buff... Omg, stop misinforming Riot pls!!!

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