New evelynn ... sucks, shes too Slow I want Old Eve Back!

Halodjin Tyr·Oct 4, 2018·11 votes·4,724 views

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I'm sorry but you can't tell me that's not more fun. I want AD eve back.

66 Comments

SEKAIOct 4, 20185 votes

Old Eve was a skirmisher misidentified as an assassin (or rather an assassin mis-designed to be a skirmisher). New Eve is an assassin.

It's different, not good or bad.

VoraciousXOct 4, 20181 votes

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Old Eve was a skirmisher misidentified as an assassin (or rather an assassin mis-designed to be a skirmisher). New Eve is an assassin.

It's different, not good or bad.

You could play old Eve as an assassin. I played Duskblade Eve quite a bit and it worked quite well.

Halodjin TyrOct 4, 20183 votes

What I hate the most about the new Eve, is you can't Cast E while Binded even if your Target is RIGHT ontop of you, also the lack of Run speed options for casters really grinds my fun to dust.

VoraciousXOct 4, 20183 votes

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What I hate the most about the new Eve, is you can't Cast E while Binded even if your Target is RIGHT ontop of you, also the lack of Run speed options for casters really grinds my fun to dust.

Yeah that's annoying. I hate the move speed being tied to her E. Like why would you tie something that you need to use to get up close on a champion that needs to get up close to their damage? Also glad to see you're getting upvoted. JUST YESTERDAY I posted about missing old Eve, asking if anyone else did and got several downvotes and a troll basically trying to say "But she's OP". Like I care if she's OP or not. Now she's a stat check champion and she's boring. OP does not mean fun.

Dr DogOct 4, 20181 votes

in what way is she a stat checker????

Halodjin TyrOct 4, 2018

well for one thing, You can't build phase rush on her, it's Gotta be Harvest, Can't have the Sorc tree, gotta have domin Gotta build certain one path items, instid of 12 differen't build paths depending on what your fighting.

You realize old Eve Could go Tank, Physical, Magic, Hybrid, Support builds right ? Now shes just .... the same stat items over, and over, and over.

OleandervineOct 4, 20181 votes

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well for one thing, You can't build phase rush on her, it's Gotta be Harvest, Can't have the Sorc tree, gotta have domin Gotta build certain one path items, instid of 12 differen't build paths depending on what your fighting.

And why can you not run Phase Rush on her? Between landing an E, a Q, and an auto, you can trigger Phase Rush, as you can do the same with EQR for an in-out escape.

You realize old Eve Could go Tank, Physical, Magic, Hybrid, Support builds right ? Now shes just .... the same stat items over, and over, and over.

Old Eve was originally designed as an assassin, but nerfing due to the strengths of her kit ended up putting her in the awkward spot she was in pre-rework - where she wasn't really an assassin anymore. Assassins AREN'T SUPPOSED to go tank, support, nor do they typically have such an incredibly flexible build pathing. She was only so flexible because her kit was shit on to the point where she could really only function as a diver and brawler. It wasn't what she was meant to be, and that's a huge factor in why she was reworked back into a functional assassin.

Halodjin TyrOct 7, 20181 votes

Because her new 1 rollis assassin and in the late game if you dont have dark harvestor electrocute your made effectively worthless.

VoraciousXOct 5, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-04T16:07:18.312+0000)

in what way is she a stat checker????

In a fight she either kills you or she dies. There's not often a time where she gets away if she doesn't kill you. She can't back out of a fight, meaning she either has the stats to kill you or she doesn't. She relies purely on a specific build path, and is useless vs tanks.

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Old Eve was a hot mess, and her kit really didn't cooperate with itself (like why did her R deal LESS damage the less HP enemies had?), and she never really hit that seductress assassin fantasy for me. I mean, I WANTED desperately to like her, but she was just mehhh, and the whole hybrid building thing is always a lot more hassle than picking one and going with it.

New Eve has a better kit, a better engage, a better disengage, and mobility, as opposed to Old Eve's movement speed boost that couldn't help her if an enemy was on top of her. Furthermore, new Evelynn hits that assassin fantasy for me, and I like that. I'm not usually big on assassins, but I do love my HBIC girls, and Evelynn just clicks when I jungle.

Really? In my experience her engage AND disengage are tons worse. As for her ult, I always used it as an engage, and I always assumed that's how it was meant to be used. The R causes enough confusion and gives you a shield so that you can get in and kill your targets. That's why you could use it from outside your stealth range. R>W>run in and kill everybody.

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How do you deal with being on full squishy teams, such as when your top decides to play ezreal?

I believe this is part of his point. With old Evelynn it didn't really matter who your allies were. You could pick her up and build her in different ways to do different things.

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I can definitely tell you that's not more fun. Just because you liked old eve more doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. To me that clip looks no different than an udyr. Just running at people and clicking them, that doesn't seem fun to me.

That's because he used an Udyr-like playstyle for Eve in that specific clip. There were assassin playstyles as well as on-hit playstyles and tank ones. Old Eve was as good as the user was with her, and the movement speed was one of the most fun things about her. Especially the slow removal. You could use that to mess with people so well, could zoom around the map and one shot people before they even notice it. In my experience E max Evelynn was the most fun.

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And why can you not run Phase Rush on her? Between landing an E, a Q, and an auto, you can trigger Phase Rush, as you can do the same with EQR for an in-out escape.

Old Eve was originally designed as an assassin, but nerfing due to the strengths of her kit ended up putting her in the awkward spot she was in pre-rework - where she wasn't really an assassin anymore. Assassins AREN'T SUPPOSED to go tank, support, nor do they typically have such an incredibly flexible build pathing. She was only so flexible because her kit was shit on to the point where she could really only function as a diver and brawler. It wasn't what she was meant to be, and that's a huge factor in why she was reworked back into a functional assassin.

She could still function as an assassin. There were still assassin Eve players in high elo iirc. In fact I believe that's what most high elo Eve mains built her as.

Dr DogOct 5, 20181 votes

your obviously confused on what a stat checker is, and you have to be stupid to think she cant assassinate tanks, with your w and void staff you hav a whopping fucking 80% mr shred

PopcornBunniOct 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=0000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-10-05T16:57:06.069+0000) with your w and void staff you hav a whopping fucking 80% mr shred

That's... not how the math works at all.

VoraciousXOct 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=0000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-10-05T16:57:06.069+0000)

your obviously confused on what a stat checker is, and you have to be stupid to think she cant assassinate tanks, with your w and void staff you hav a whopping fucking 80% mr shred

What is a stat checker if not someone who literally either has the stats to kill you or doesn't and will instantly lose? She's literally only her stats, there's nothing else about her that she brings to the table to make her better or worse. Her damage is good right now, and that's why she's OP. That is literally all. A Stat checker is exactly that. Someone who is only good or bad depending on their numbers. If they nerfed her damage (even a little most likely), she'd probably be a troll pick. Hell a lot of the time most Eves don't even let the charm fully cook in most occasions and that's the only thing she has different from most other champions aside from her ult.

Dr DogOct 6, 20181 votes

no she brings a shit ton of map pressure, shes easy to get your team ahead on and hard to play against, she has a lot she can do outside of dmg but you just cant see that because you dont play new eve, shes not even close to a stat checker your just satly

VoraciousXOct 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=000000010000000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2018-10-06T02:35:32.146+0000)

no she brings a shit ton of map pressure, shes easy to get your team ahead on and hard to play against, she has a lot she can do outside of dmg but you just cant see that because you dont play new eve, shes not even close to a stat checker your just satly

She only brings map pressure if no one uses control wards. You can easily fuck up an Eve pre-6 if you wanted to, but no one does. Again, if they nerfed her damage, even probably a little bit, she'd be a troll pick. Honestly, old Eve brought MORE map pressure and was harder to play against, she was just kept weak because of that. She was definitely more fun though. You can't use the same arguments that could be used for old Eve. Hell old Eve had her stealth 24/7.

Dr DogOct 6, 20181 votes

what keeps her from being fucked pre 6 is her fucking amazing clear speed, if you have the right patching they cant touch you, and control wards are as easy to deal with as clear them when they see you, then come right back around they really dont do all that much to stop her

VoraciousXOct 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=00000001000000000000000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-06T18:12:07.409+0000)

what keeps her from being fucked pre 6 is her fucking amazing clear speed, if you have the right patching they cant touch you, and control wards are as easy to deal with as clear them when they see you, then come right back around they really dont do all that much to stop her

If you're seen by a control ward the most likely scenario would be to play safe for a minute or two until she's gone. A jungler doesn't usually just wait in a bush after clearing a ward for a full minute or two, and the general thought when seeing a jungler by a ward is "Guess I better not try anything until they leave". And again, the things you're mentioning are no different from old Eve.

Dr DogOct 7, 20181 votes

old eve had no hard cc, no escape, and was generally unpolished if you want to argue old eve is better its just a losing battle, eve was one of the most successful reworks to date

VoraciousXOct 7, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=0000000100000000000000010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-07T06:40:54.381+0000)

old eve had no hard cc, no escape, and was generally unpolished if you want to argue old eve is better its just a losing battle, eve was one of the most successful reworks to date

Old Eve didn't need CC, and her W was as much of an escape as an initiation. Her ult is her only useful thing in her new kit. Everything else is overall worse outside her damage because they took the damage from her AD scaling and put it all into AP. I never said she needed to be completely reverted but her old W and her old E was far better than her current one. Her old Q was as well, but as it is now it's not too terrible. But if you really wanna know why new Eve is so successful, you only have to look at her damage:

Old Q max rank: 80 + 70% bonus AD + 55% AP Old E max rank: 230 + 100% bonus AD + 100% AP Old R max rank: 25% + 1% per 100 AP current health Total: 310 + 155% AP+170% bonus AD + 25% + 1% per 100 AP current health.

New Q max rank: 330 + 195% AP New W max rank: 35% magic resistance reduction or vs monsters 450 + 60% AP New E max rank: 175 + (4% + 2.5% per 100 AP of target's max health) New R max rank: 800 + 150% AP Total: 1305 + 345% AP + 4% + 2.5% per 100 AP of targets maximum health. It's not her new kit that makes her so successful. Her total damage is basically 3 times that of her old kit.

The reason her new kit is 3x the damage is because they weakened her actual kit. The charm makes sense for her character, but by no means is it strong CC. Ahri has a much better charm as there's no warning, no cook time, and she can easily get in someone's face. Her new E requires her to basically be the same distance as her old E, even empowered it's not a huge difference, especially for Evelynn who has to be in your face to deal all of her damage, but has half of the effect. Her ult is the only positive change to her actual kit that isn't just more damage. In fact, you could get away so much easier with Eve's old W. Her only escape now(literal only escape that she has herself) is her R.

Halodjin TyrOct 7, 20181 votes

I agree with 98% of everthing you just ranted about all excellent points up and down this forum

SEKAIOct 4, 20185 votes

And if you want fast, you can just play Hecarim or Rammus.

Halodjin TyrOct 4, 20186 votes

i'm a 1.6mil mastery evelynn, -_- I don't wanna play Hecarim or Rammus.

Hexs FortuneOct 4, 20181 votes

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i'm a 1.6mil mastery evelynn, -_- I don't wanna play Hecarim or Rammus.

How do you deal with being on full squishy teams, such as when your top decides to play ezreal?

FemalesAreLesserOct 4, 20181 votes

how do oyu have so much mastery and NOT know that evelynn now is so much better then her older version, and also is Extremely easy/ abusable? oh wait. Gold. Higher ranking evelynn players and anyone with a brain knows shes Freelo. nor is she too slow.

Halodjin TyrOct 5, 20182 votes

its a Matter of Fun, not Better, It's Not fun to Poke and Run, I want to Dive and stay In the fight until its over, like she used too, I also Want to Run fast like I used to be able to, I'm too god damn slow, Engaging people is annoying, My chief Complaint is actually with The engage, Old evelynns Ult, allowed me to Pick when my team engages, Now eves ult lets me go in when the Enemy Misplays, I'm waiting for a Window to Open as opposed to opening one myself.

French CourtesanOct 4, 20184 votes

I'm sorry but you can't tell me that's not more fun. I want AD eve back.

Her kit right now is no longer braindead spam Q. If you seriously consider her state right now boring, even though she requires much more brain power, go play yi. Old Evelynn was fun only if you didnt mind carpal tunnel.

Ok sure but whyOct 4, 20183 votes

I miss on-hit and crit Eve

ApocryphaOct 4, 20183 votes

PLEASEEEE!!! TAKE ME BAAAAAAAAACK!!! I WANT THE OLD EVE BACKKKK T.T!!! I DONT CARE IF SHE WAS USELESS OR SHITT!

MegaLobunnyOct 4, 20182 votes

While new eve is nice, I do miss playing playing old ad skirmisher eve. Sometimes I wish there was a rotating game mode where you could play old champions (original Sion, eve, mr shredding soraka, etc).

PopcornBunniOct 4, 20182 votes

Honestly same. She got a charm she never needed in the first place and as a result the rest of her kit needed gutting. The new execution ult is just fine. Nothing more nothing less. Removal of hybrid scaling and on-hit builds in favor of hard cc from stealth on an assassin though, just feels out of place and horrible for her clears.

Bring back AD scaling and two on-hits on her E at the very least. Would be nice if she could get increased movement speed toward partially W marked monsters and fully marked champions, but I'll settle for mere scraps at this point.

WimbledofyOct 4, 20182 votes

horrible for her clears? Have you ever played current eve? Her jungle clears are better than 90% of the rest of the jungle roster.

Halodjin TyrOct 4, 20181 votes

I ment for her Pushing lane into a turret, I miss Cleave, and a more realistic Hatespike.

WimbledofyOct 4, 20181 votes

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I ment for her Pushing lane into a turret, I miss Cleave, and a more realistic Hatespike.

I was replying to popcornbunni who said removal of hybrid scaling was horrible for her clears.

PopcornBunniOct 6, 20181 votes

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I was replying to popcornbunni who said removal of hybrid scaling was horrible for her clears.

Q deals much less damage to secondary targets, E deals less to single targets, and W no longer lets her get between camps. The charm itself takes the same amount of time to proc on monsters as on champions which is another bit of either waiting to start a clear or forgoing the damage and safety it offers. That is what I meant by the changes made to compensate being given a hard cc out of stealth are ones that negatively impact her clears.

WimbledofyOct 6, 20181 votes

But that's objectively wrong. Evelynn has one of the fastest and healthiest clears in the game.

Halodjin TyrJun 21, 20191 votes

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horrible for her clears? Have you ever played current eve? Her jungle clears are better than 90% of the rest of the jungle roster.

I should Clarify, When Taking Rift/Dragon at levels 4-12 it's a Struggle to solo Dragon (as in my mind it should be) requiring depending on the Level or dragon spawned 2 Smites and my Hp is Neck and Neck with Dragons on the Way down, When you compare that to Nunu/Warwick, Xin (you get my point I Hope) Her Objective clear is Terrible.

HentaiSimulatorOct 4, 20182 votes

^ please i beg

Power CosmicOct 4, 20182 votes

I agree, old eve was a lot of fun.

WøOxerOct 4, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Power Cosmic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-10-04T07:17:05.197+0000)

I agree, old eve was a lot of fun.

Yes was fun to play for u, but not fun against, out of suddent one shotted from stealth. Like current Rengar state.

Power CosmicOct 4, 20181 votes

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Yes was fun to play for u, but not fun against, out of suddent one shotted from stealth. Like current Rengar state.

But people forget her ability to do so was very conditional when againt good competition. And tbh dying to the old her is a good way to learn routes, positioning, map awareness, etc. New Eve's window of opportunity is larger.

WøOxerOct 5, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Power Cosmic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2018-10-04T15:28:09.117+0000)

But people forget her ability to do so was very conditional when againt good competition. And tbh dying to the old her is a good way to learn routes, positioning, map awareness, etc. New Eve's window of opportunity is larger.

Lol map awareness what? Perma stealth, cannot be seen, what are u talking about.

Power CosmicOct 5, 20181 votes

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Lol map awareness what? Perma stealth, cannot be seen, what are u talking about.

True. I guess it was harder for old Eve herself, than her victims. But I do not think that is a bad thing.

WimbledofyOct 4, 20182 votes

I can definitely tell you that's not more fun. Just because you liked old eve more doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. To me that clip looks no different than an udyr. Just running at people and clicking them, that doesn't seem fun to me.

NemeBroOct 4, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Halodjinn Tyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-04T06:20:09.316+0000)

https://plays.tv/video/580d716326739e52ab/dark-hero-days-of-the-white-tiger-?from=search&amp;game_id=b179585c6b68a2791eea4a1ad3d7ef72&amp;leagueoflegends%3Asummoner=halodjinntyr-na

I'm sorry but you can't tell me that's not more fun. I want AD eve back.

What's not more fun?

Running up to people and mashing your point and click and auto attack abilities when the enemies are in range?

Old Eve was incredibly boring.

Lets have shrexOct 4, 20182 votes

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What's not more fun?

Running up to people and mashing your point and click and auto attack abilities when the enemies are in range?

Old Eve was incredibly boring.

Khazix Zed Talon Rengar Graves item 3147

Isn't it like what most AD assassins do ? LUL

NemeBroOct 4, 20182 votes

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Isn't it like what most AD assassins do ? LUL

No, even Rengar at least has a leap and a skillshot.

OleandervineOct 4, 20182 votes

Old Eve was a hot mess, and her kit really didn't cooperate with itself (like why did her R deal LESS damage the less HP enemies had?), and she never really hit that seductress assassin fantasy for me. I mean, I WANTED desperately to like her, but she was just mehhh, and the whole hybrid building thing is always a lot more hassle than picking one and going with it.

New Eve has a better kit, a better engage, a better disengage, and mobility, as opposed to Old Eve's movement speed boost that couldn't help her if an enemy was on top of her. Furthermore, new Evelynn hits that assassin fantasy for me, and I like that. I'm not usually big on assassins, but I do love my HBIC girls, and Evelynn just clicks when I jungle.

SukishooOct 4, 20182 votes

I loved Eve and did a lot with her in the past but I was happy when she got updated and brought into the modern world. She was a mess, her old kit really didn't make much sense in a logical point of view as the abilities the champions have should work together in helping them achieve their victory.

Lets have shrexOct 4, 20181 votes

You know new Eve is like 15 times more broken than old Eve ? She can clear her jungle really easily, has her passive to regen between each camp, her W deals crazy damage to monsters

Now she even has a CC to gank people, and her R is an execute (more like overkill damage).

I mean I prefer old Eve too (especially hybrid builds item 3147 item 3100 item 1414 item 3146 was so fun), but you can't say that the new one is worse than the old one

Twin turßoFeb 15, 20192 votes

its fun how people who know nothing about old eve are talking. The new eve is very very very BAD. And I have close to 1m mastery with eve in d5-d4. The new eve is unplayable, no mobility, no engage, can't spam q, no stealth pre 6. This char is just dead and its sad. They don't know what to do so they just destroy char, seem like they never play their own game :)