Nobody wants Jg.

Halodjin Tyr·May 28, 2019·34 votes·13,630 views

Hi Eve, Jg main here, (I hate you for Ruining her) Not Fun definitely not fun.

I've noticed for the last million or so mastery Of Gameplay on her, I'll Que Mid/jg or Jg/mid and it (ALWAYS) comes up as Jg. No getting auto filled support, No ever getting into Midlane, just Jg jg jg all the time. on one had that's cool, on the other hand.... that might suggest being a jungler just isn't fun.

Honestly even I find it to be a chore, 1/4th to 2/4th of the game farming/securing objectives that the rest of my team don't seem to give a shit about, and it just leads to Fighting, very unenjoyable.

64 Comments

GankLordMay 28, 201911 votes

As a jungle main I don't like Jungle anymore. I feel like even if I get one lane fed the other lanes complain I'm not ganking enough or now I can't even reach lv 3 without the first blood going to the enemy team. It also annoys me when a lane gives first blood and then they die 2 more times to their laner and want me to gank. I'm not going to put my life on the line when you've demonstrated to me that your lane is a lost cause. If you're 0/3 within 5 minutes and it's not due to ganks I can't trust you to finish off the enemy. I may die as a result and the situation just gets worst.

CevradMay 28, 201910 votes

Is weird, I'm in your mmr range on this account and get autofilled every 4 games on cooldown to support or ADC as a jungle main.

I can't tell if you are trolling btw, but the most popular position in the game is mid lane by a mile. So if you queue JG/Mid every game, you are gonna get jungle almost every game. And if you find the position to be boring, QUEUE FOR SOMETHING ELSE. The position is actually quite fun if you are willing to adapt. Hell I don't even play the top meta picks, I just spam Sejuani, Kha'Zix, Twitch and AP Shyv. I have a blast playing the game when my bot lane isn't turbo inting me into a loss I don't deserve. But it was one game out of 80.

You are making it out to be something it isn't by stretching so far to make a point that is completely wrong. If you find the position boring, stop queuing for it. Simple.

xAcidikMay 29, 20191 votes

Its... Not fun. It's the least fun. Its pick rate is en par with support. No one wants the role because you can't play something that doesn't perma gank and you don't get rewarded for farming. Whether you succeed depends entirely on whether your mid let's you.

Starcraft243verMay 29, 20191 votes

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Its... Not fun. It's the least fun. Its pick rate is en par with support. No one wants the role because you can't play something that doesn't perma gank and you don't get rewarded for farming. Whether you succeed depends entirely on whether your mid let's you.

Well of course you dont get rewarded for farming, farming in the jungler is so much easier than farming in lanes. It wouldnt make sens to be rewarded for something a bot could do.

GelsominoKillerMay 29, 20197 votes

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Is weird, I'm in your mmr range on this account and get autofilled every 4 games on cooldown to support or ADC as a jungle main.

I can't tell if you are trolling btw, but the most popular position in the game is mid lane by a mile. So if you queue JG/Mid every game, you are gonna get jungle almost every game. And if you find the position to be boring, QUEUE FOR SOMETHING ELSE. The position is actually quite fun if you are willing to adapt. Hell I don't even play the top meta picks, I just spam Sejuani, Kha'Zix, Twitch and AP Shyv. I have a blast playing the game when my bot lane isn't turbo inting me into a loss I don't deserve. But it was one game out of 80.

You are making it out to be something it isn't by stretching so far to make a point that is completely wrong. If you find the position boring, stop queuing for it. Simple.

You're missing the point.

A lot of people started finding the position boring, and stopped queuing for it.

Now Jungle is statistically the least desired role, which has never been through the years.

This may be a strong indicator that there is something wrong with the role itself.

nelogisMay 29, 20198 votes

Welcome to the top lane experience!

Have an unpleasant stay

ButterwoodMay 29, 20191 votes

I giggled

Tr4shB4NSYST3MMay 29, 20191 votes

The thing is, with all the nerfs first to camp respawn timers then to camp xp (as well as the skuttle changes which massively favored champs that can skirmish earlygame), Jg has become more like a "2nd support" than it has been the whole time since i started playing in season 6.

Right now as JG you biggest window to be impactful is from levels 3-9 (earlygame) by spam ganking lanes and getting them ahead, midgame because of your reduced xp/gold your impact falls off fairly hard and your role is mainly objectives like rift/dragon and sometimes 3manning people with your team. Late game at this point you are so far behind solo laners in xp and gold and ADC in gold that you are basically a smitebot with a small degree of teamfight impact.

I played Jg the most in season 7, and IMO outside of the ardent meta at the end of s7 (worlds) s7 was the healthiest most balanced season I played in LOL. If you were even you might be 1-2 lvls behind the solo-laners, if you were behind probably 2-3 lvls behind, BUT because respawn timers were better you actually had options, now even if you're ahead your probably still 2 levels down on the solo laners, getting invaded, and your camps have slow respawn timers so your way to get back into the game is purely through capitalizing on an enemy mistake.

One big issue is these JG nerfs made the "better jg difference" WAY more impactful, past seasons the less skilled jungler had more options if he was getting beaten in the jungle matchup, now the game is so snowbally that if for example pre-12min the enemy jg has 2-3 succesful ganks and you have none, you are basically super behind at this point and UNLESS your laners make an active effort to collapse and basically baby you, you have no way back into the game.

BestPudgeNAMay 29, 20193 votes

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Is weird, I'm in your mmr range on this account and get autofilled every 4 games on cooldown to support or ADC as a jungle main.

You know we can look at your match history right? 28 of your last 30 Summoners rift games are JG games, with 1 ADC game and 1 Amumu Top game.

Haze97May 30, 20191 votes

That's exactly his point, silly.

BestPudgeNAMay 30, 20193 votes

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That's exactly his point, silly.

He said he gets auto filled out of JG every 4 games. He legit never gets auto filled out of JG. Nobody does, JG is like instant Q at all Elos even if you Q support secondary. That's not his "point" that him lying

Ambitious MinnowMay 30, 20191 votes

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He said he gets auto filled out of JG every 4 games. He legit never gets auto filled out of JG. Nobody does, JG is like instant Q at all Elos even if you Q support secondary. That's not his "point" that him lying

I haven't been autofilled out of jungle in over 800 games. 8. Hundred. Games. My queue is rarely more than 45 seconds.

Summoner Agent Heavy Wolf... 800 games, zero autofill anywhere else, I never have to dodge either.

AlienPrimateJun 1, 20191 votes

I play fill a lot and feel like I get jungle more than half of the time. From my recent experience as a fill main, the least played to most played order is jungle, support, top, adc, mid.

ShiroyashayamiMay 28, 20198 votes

Well, some junglers just play another lane or some like me left the game.

Sir SaltarinMay 28, 20196 votes

Mid is the by far most popular role man, you pick Mid as second when you only want to get your first role

You are literally doing the best you can to get Jng

Curious KatMay 29, 20196 votes

Mid lane Kata main here.

Can agree, i hate jungle. I hate being filled into it. It's the punching bag of League, a lane solo dies and it's the junglers fault. People think you are trolling for wanting to get a dragon instead of going on a mindless team death match killing spree. Can't pick any jungles that don't 100-0 you in half a second, that also have gap closers, that also have cc, that also have some form of self sustain. = limited USEFUL jungle pool.

"jungle difference" has got to be the most annoying phrase i hear now a days... No fun to play unless you pick whats broken, and your team doesn't int. But in my experience, one or 2 lanes ALWAYS ints, and i never get a chance to do shit.

It's not jungle difference when i can't farm my jg because mid/jg or top/jg or bot/jg are contesting all my camps because a inting lane has no pressure what so ever, and is so far behind that you can't even gank for them or you'd get 1v2'd. That's called INTING LANERS DIFFERENCE.

Screw that role man, i dodge auto-fill JG. Not gonna be the punching bag for peoples owns mistakes.

Ninjas FlossingMay 29, 20194 votes

being a jungler isnt fun. its like parenting. only your children actively try to kill themselves while other children also try to kill them on purpose.

ThingamajigMay 28, 20193 votes

i queue top jungle and get top every time i queue mid jungle and get mid every time i queue adc jungle and get adc every time i queue support jungle and get support every time i queue fill and the most often role i get filled in is ADC followed by TOP

The system prios jungle for you since you have an insane amount of games on jungle

are you honestly complaining that you aren't getting auto filled?

Sir SaltarinMay 28, 20195 votes

I queue ADC-Mid and I get ADC basically all games, which is awesome

LTK KoRoMay 29, 20194 votes

nerf adcs

Halodjin TyrMay 28, 20191 votes

little bit, I don't like eve anymore, and shes kind of the only Jungler I like, I'm trying to get some Normal Midgame practice in so I can finally learn how to Lane, I can't cs man it's bad.

ApollyonBainerMay 29, 20191 votes

Thats what Im saying. Whenever I q up in a 5 man of my buds and we all put fill we each get our most played/main roles. And people complaining about it is just funny. I would suggest that the other reason for getting jg often is because many people are trying out yuumi right now.

ThingamajigMay 29, 20192 votes

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Thats what Im saying. Whenever I q up in a 5 man of my buds and we all put fill we each get our most played/main roles. And people complaining about it is just funny. I would suggest that the other reason for getting jg often is because many people are trying out yuumi right now.

i doubt it jungle is the 2nd most influential role after mid and both roles kinda hold hands all game but yes once upon a time when positional queue was introduced riot mentioned that eventually the system will heavily prio your most played

as im filling every other game my fills vary by a lot but in general adc and top are the most filled roles and people get filled to them most often

ApollyonBainerMay 31, 20191 votes

Idk usually when a new champ comes out they get played in different roles. Yuumi cant really do anything but play supp tho. I think that makes a bit of an impact

ThingamajigMay 31, 20191 votes

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Idk usually when a new champ comes out they get played in different roles. Yuumi cant really do anything but play supp tho. I think that makes a bit of an impact

yeah it's kinda bad when riot hard forces a champion into a role kayn/elise to jungle for example but most champions have an avenue to be played differently atleast so it's not all bad

ApollyonBainerJun 1, 20191 votes

Well yeah it can be bad to force one champ into a role. But take pyke for example. Im kinda sick of seeing him mid, top, jg, and even as a supp. I see him in quite a few games these days

ThingamajigJun 1, 20191 votes

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Well yeah it can be bad to force one champ into a role. But take pyke for example. Im kinda sick of seeing him mid, top, jg, and even as a supp. I see him in quite a few games these days

i don't get your point do you want to see yuumi played everywhere or do you want more champions to be forced into roles like yuumi?

ApollyonBainerJun 1, 20191 votes

Sorry thats just rambling. My original point was that people may not be playing jg because they want to play yuumi but cant take her jg. Id rather have champs played in one or two roles at most. Pyke is frustrating because he can flex to any role these days just because he has wacky mobility, lane sustain in his kit that rivals kench, and and execute on a reset.

huhndogMay 29, 20193 votes

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i queue top jungle and get top every time i queue mid jungle and get mid every time i queue adc jungle and get adc every time i queue support jungle and get support every time i queue fill and the most often role i get filled in is ADC followed by TOP

The system prios jungle for you since you have an insane amount of games on jungle

are you honestly complaining that you aren't getting auto filled?

I don't know what world u live in, but sign me up plz

ThingamajigMay 29, 20192 votes

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I don't know what world u live in, but sign me up plz

what do you mean?

AR URFMay 28, 20193 votes

Makes sense because scuttle crab doesn't spawn immediately after the first and second camp. And most of the camps are better suited for aoe champs.

YaraUwUMay 29, 20193 votes

Its cause the game is already stressful and frustrating as shit JG is even more stressfull because its still the higest impact role in the game even if their XP gain is dog shit from nerfs.

Id love to play jg if the role wasint so fucking important and if any of the champions were fun to play.

DeleteSuppRoleMay 28, 20192 votes

remove the jungle role, make it a 4v4, that would drastically reduce toxicity in addition to shortening queue timers and chance of autofill

The thigh guyMay 29, 20193 votes

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remove the jungle role, make it a 4v4, that would drastically reduce toxicity in addition to shortening queue timers and chance of autofill

No. That’ll just take us back to season 4 where it was always the supports fault no matter what.

Top lane didn’t ward? “Gosh, horrible support never warded top at 4:30”

DeleteSuppRoleMay 30, 20191 votes

Those were the best seasons though

VelasanMay 29, 20192 votes

It's same for me. I've always been mid, then jungle, then support.

I can't que as a third, but if I que mid/jg I get jg just about every game. As others are pointing out a lot of that has to do with the popularity of mid lane.

FioraWillCarryMay 29, 20192 votes

Nobody wants Jg.

Speak for yourselves. I'm really loving Blue Kayn atm.

PenthouseMackMay 29, 20192 votes

I've experienced this as well. I que as Jng/Top

Riot keeps obsessively nerfing the jungle patch after patch. Riot has taken virtually everything away from a jungler. They've taken gold, levels, camps, items, and nerfed abilities. Also, tank junglers are basically unplayable, as are tanks in general in solo que. Riot continues to do this as well without any indication of slowing down.
The jungle is a scapegoat and every single game, even the ones that I hard carry or do very well, I get hard flamed by at least one person because they aren't doing well. It certainly can't be them...it must be the jungler's fault! Nobody likes being flamed every game simply for playing a role. The jungle has become a role where you are the most disrespected person on the team automatically. You are their whipping boy whose sole purpose is to spoon feed them kills. Do anything else, like farm or take a dragon, and feel the wrath of your laners when they hard push with no vision and die to an enemy gank. During positional ques earlier this year, I went adc and support quite a bit, fed my ass off, never once heard a peep out of anyone directed towards me. The chillest games of my life.
The jungle is difficult. It may not be mechanical, but there are too many variables to be focused on. People like to sit in their small little lanes and hit their little minions that come in a nice orderly fashion every little while. They don't care to look at their minimap, maintain vision, or create pressure or objective control.

Out of the games I've played this season, I have never been autofilled that I can remember. Maybe once? My op.gg will say different but I played certain champs during positional matchmaking because I was tired of the constant nerfs and overall poor state of the jungle.

***Also, yes I know the list appears as 1. 1. 2. I'm not sure why. When I try to edit, it appears as 1. 2. 3. Makes sense though, being owned by riot and all.

Ambitious MinnowMay 29, 20192 votes

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I've experienced this as well. I que as Jng/Top

Riot keeps obsessively nerfing the jungle patch after patch. Riot has taken virtually everything away from a jungler. They've taken gold, levels, camps, items, and nerfed abilities. Also, tank junglers are basically unplayable, as are tanks in general in solo que. Riot continues to do this as well without any indication of slowing down.

The jungle is a scapegoat and every single game, even the ones that I hard carry or do very well, I get hard flamed by at least one person because they aren't doing well. It certainly can't be them...it must be the jungler's fault! Nobody likes being flamed every game simply for playing a role. The jungle has become a role where you are the most disrespected person on the team automatically. You are their whipping boy whose sole purpose is to spoon feed them kills. Do anything else, like farm or take a dragon, and feel the wrath of your laners when they hard push with no vision and die to an enemy gank. During positional ques earlier this year, I went adc and support quite a bit, fed my ass off, never once heard a peep out of anyone directed towards me. The chillest games of my life.

The jungle is difficult. It may not be mechanical, but there are too many variables to be focused on. People like to sit in their small little lanes and hit their little minions that come in a nice orderly fashion every little while. They don't care to look at their minimap, maintain vision, or create pressure or objective control.

Out of the games I've played this season, I have never been autofilled that I can remember. Maybe once? My op.gg will say different but I played certain champs during positional matchmaking because I was tired of the constant nerfs and overall poor state of the jungle.

***Also, yes I know the list appears as 1. 1. 2. I'm not sure why. When I try to edit, it appears as 1. 2. 3. Makes sense though, being owned by riot and all.

This. To be perfectly clear, the list of jg champ problems is the following at this point:

One less item slot and one less summoner spell because both Smite and the jungle item are MANDATORY. I should be taking smite because it is best for my role, which is not the same as taking it because it's required. Having to take the jg item makes me suicidally depressed, I'm over it.
Drastically reduced xp gains, which become more drastic as match continues. You can have the most cs and kills (both) of all 10 champs, and still be underleveled compared to top or mid. Playing a role where you are crippled like this is the definition of not fun.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/HLxCASV.jpg[/img]

Red and blue sides of jungle are not equal, junglers that start with the red buff can can just the half of jg they start at and hit level 3, for junglers that would prefer to start blue, they just cross map either vertically or horizontally. This is a big deal and it shows when you look at popular junglers for the patch. All top 15 are fighters or aoe champs(ideally red start champs).

[img]https://i.imgur.com/5T5PEQi.png[/img]

Finally all these debuffs have led to a situation where only the winning jg has a decent chance of making a difference where they go. Jungle is such a complicated role that Riot still can't make a decent jungle bot, even now that they've got ten years to work on it and a pile of money so big a dragon would be impressed. Having to take care of all the responsibilities of jg (dragons, herald, barons, vision, ganks, counter ganks, counter jungling, etc) just isn't realistic when the jungle is crippled in so many ways. In a losing game? The team is pinging for help everywhere, and you often can't really do anything to help them. One of the most ridiculous parts of this is jungle often can't rotate to cover a lane anymore. I have almost no chance of being able to successfully cover top lane when top is 2 - 3 levels above me.

This all amounts to playing crippled. The funniest part is I guarantee all the junglers that have stuck around have polished their game even more to compensate. They are going to have to fix the jungle, because it is hemorrhaging players I guarantee, but when they, current junglers are going to go apeshit murder spree. Riot, take off the training weights and let me be free.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/snHRTlB.jpg[/img]

xAcidikMay 29, 20191 votes

I have a similar experience. The funny thing is, I play jungler and the rest of the team doesn't care about Drake, but then I play not lane or mid lane and the rest of the team still doesn't csee.

OtakuBurritoMay 29, 20191 votes

Aatrox is better at jungling/clearing/sustaining than Kayn atm. Please fucking explain Riot.

NevrankroatonMay 29, 20191 votes

Don't forget that with Yuumi being out, many more people play support in ranked to abuse her or just train her. It is the same when a new jungler is out, suddenly you are autofilled top/support.

And fun is subjective, I don't think anybody had fun when jungler could afk farm their comp with feral flare, I don't think anyone had fun when bulky tank would come out of the jungle and be so hard to kill, I don't think laner liked to have lvl 3 gank all the time, etc etc. You can still do some solo action, but the role of the jungler was always to make move according to his laner (gank, counter jungling, warding deep, taking objectives, contesting scuttles), it always felt miserable when everyone loose their lane and you don't have any priority, S2/S3 wasn't different, people just weren't as aware/good as we are now.

14daysuspensionkMay 29, 20191 votes

I always tend to get my roles, as long as i'm not in any premades that want my role, anyways, my secret is to NOT lot the queue go to the 1 minute mark exactly, ALWAYS reset it on 0:59 if you think you can find matches in that short queue time sometimes. It might make it so that it takes longer to find a match if I'm queueing up for Mid as a JG main, but trust me it's worth it. I can't say how successful this has been, and it rarely autofills me.

Scárlét PhóenixMay 29, 20191 votes

I play all 5 roles, Comfortable on Champions more then Others.. When I want to Practice Champions I play Normal Draft.. When Practicing jungle picks I get spammed pinged a lot.. cause either 1. They don't have vision 2. They were pushed up, without vision and got punished by enemy jungler.. 3. They dunno how to play their lane or lane at all..

Like I don't spam ping or flame others when they make mistakes if they are just going to keep doing it anyways.. eventually rage quit or run it down cause I just muted them and continue playing ..

Its other thing when I play Jungle, an I ban a Champion.. an someone on my team gets set up cause of my ban due to they wanted to play that champion.. an proceeds to Troll or Run it down.. When the Champion I ban I just don't want to see it in my games..

SilentBomberMay 30, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Halodjin Tyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X57hVEPF,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-28T18:59:59.746+0000)

I've noticed for the last million or so mastery Of Gameplay on her, I'll Que Mid/jg or Jg/mid and it (ALWAYS) comes up as Jg. No getting auto filled support, No ever getting into Midlane, just Jg jg jg all the time. on one had that's cool, on the other hand.... that might suggest being a jungler just isn't fun.

I can speak the same about Top lane.I rarely get auto filled.

BronzsuoMay 30, 20191 votes

As a jg main, I didn't upgrade the machete and sell it at mid game so I can split push. It is way more effective and I wonder why people aren't doing it more. A jg item is statically only help vs jg camp. Vs an enemy champion, it is worse than basically every other items of the same tier. A machete upgrade into a item 1416 or any other enchantment only remove the restriction of intense farming in lane and make your summoner spell somewhat usable. If you only purchase the machete and sell it later to save slot for an item that is not jg, you will be able to play the game better and not relying on your lane. You can try it and see if it help you enjoy the jg more.

JuiceBoxPMay 30, 20191 votes

supp/jg main... i literally abandoned jg after this idiotic scuttle nerf. no point playing junglers that aren't j4, hecarim, kayn or udyr

PopcornBunniJun 1, 20191 votes

Agreed at least on the part of ruining Eve. Went form one of the most versatile and adaptable junglers to the absolute most stale build path of the same items every single time in the game.

The jungle itself has felt pretty bad since the scuttle changes first went through, disproportionately pressuring the jungle player to either have a premade flex to contest the river, or to play level 2/3 duelists in solo queue to make them uncontestable for their opponent.

I sure do love getting filled jg and being unable to do anything all game because the enemy XinZhao can solo drake level 3 and come out with more health than he started.

Halodjin TyrJun 14, 20191 votes

I kind of wish Evelynn Could go Midlane, but her Q is so week against Minions and Drains so Much mana, and without a Run speed button or a Real controllable Dive she can't Dodge. So tired of the JG. but mostly due to Champions like Nunu Warwick JarvanIV Kayn Nocturne RekSai Rammus Skarner Udyr XinZhao as a Evelynn their is really No Opening against their Level 4 Dragon steal, and good luck Getting Mid/bot to come help you, and if they Do they are mostly fighting a 3v2 because eve is so week in the early game. and since for example Nunu is so immortal in Jg and so Fast it's pretty much a Guaranteed Tripple for his team and Dragon if I try to contest it.