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PSA: Do NOT buy lootboxes with RP

Twichty·11/14/2017, 7:54:01 AM·209 votes·17,644 views

PSA: Do NOT buy lootboxes with RP

THIS IS A REPOST OF EDAT all credit to them, just keeping it up there.

It is not even close to worth buying lootboxes with RP at this point. The amount of Orange and Blue Essence you get out of them has gone down drastically. The amount of Orange Essence you get for disenchanting is now half. Blue Essence from disenchanting is obviously down as well. This is a warning to just buy the skin you want instead of opting for lootboxes.

This is not thread debating "Yeah, but we get more shards from leveling!". Whether we do or do not, this isnt a thread discussing that. This is specifically for lootboxes purchased with RP. The message of this thread is simple:

Although the RP price of lootboxes has remained the same, the value of the content in those boxes has dropped by half compared to a box you bought a week ago. Until there is some form of compensation for purchasing them with RP, do not buy any.

116 Comments

RiotRiot Cactopus11/14/2017, 4:42:40 PM53 votes

Hey, I'll pop in here to share our perspective.

We're actually keeping a pretty close eye on the value of purchasable hextech chests. I don't mean to shock you, but we like selling chests. So we want it to feel good when you buy them.

FWIW, here’s our basic take on it: yes, orange essence disenchant rates are nerfed. But we also made some other positive changes to the system. For example, it's now guaranteed that you'll never go three rolls in a row without getting a skin. (That's what we mean when we talk about bad luck protection). You also can now get chests inside of your chests—and you can even get bonus chests when you reroll skin shards. We're pretty sure these changes will make buying chests feel good even at their current price point.

BUT, we could be wrong! If it turns out that these changes aren't as good as we thought, we'll continue to iterate. First we want to see how different players around the world are engaging with the chests and feeling about them before making changes.

Edit: In case you missed it, here was the previous thread where I talked about more of our thinking behind the OE nerfs.

Infernape11/14/2017, 7:55:15 AM32 votes

I wasn't planning to. I was surprised to see that a Legendary skin shard doesn't even cover the cost of enchanting a 975 RP skin.

Hexs Fortune11/14/2017, 5:08:05 PM16 votes

We are in the middle of a lootbox controversy with every game now asking for more and more $$ out of microtransactions. Even single player games like shadow of war are doing it. Its too much.

ToxicShaco11/14/2017, 5:03:02 PM15 votes

I (and my gaming community) am not buying anything with RP until BE per game is added. I don't necessarily feel like grinding for a month for a 3150 champ.

Twichty11/15/2017, 2:32:57 AM8 votes

I would just like to say that you are playing the gambling game. I honestly a bit scary that you are trying to make the Hex tech crafting system even more gambling dependent.

" For example, it's now guaranteed that you'll never go three rolls in a row without getting a skin." Sure you get a skin, but enchanting that skin to be worth something is going to take a lot more skins especially if its a higher tier. Meaning that you will still need more skins, which means more boxes. This also was not something I think a lot of people complained about because that was just part of the gamble from the get go.

"I don't mean to shock you, but we like selling chests." I respect the sass, but we all understand that you want to make a profit. That's why we are bringing this point to players, as to not to buy chest to cut into your profit to make a point. A point that, unless you guys are cash strapped , have a good explanation, the old system seemed a lot better than the new one for orange essences, seems because time will tell/ your response. Now I understand that you guys are do have upper managers and such and profits are expected to be made, but with your already expensive champion system, no I do not feel we get champions easier now especially with having to buy champ mastery too, and skins that you guys turn a good profit.

I honestly think you guys will make more money if you switch back to the old system.

"BUT, we could be wrong! If it turns out that these changes aren't as good as we thought, we'll continue to iterate. First we want to see how different players around the world are engaging with the chests and feeling about them before making changes." I respect that you can admit that you may be wrong as well as we the NA player base may also be wrong, but I will say I have a feeling getting people to back new system that cost them a lot more money will be very difficult.

Thanks for Reading. Sorry if this is a repost can't find other comment @RiotCactopus

NTrumpWeTrust11/15/2017, 8:16:53 AM6 votes

too late, i got fnatic janna which gives me like 43 orange essence lmao jesus riot

Linna Excel11/14/2017, 5:09:56 PM6 votes

People should never buy lootboxes in any game with any fake currency you spent real money to acquire.

DirtyCoX11/14/2017, 6:23:48 PM5 votes

I know I won't be spending money on rp anymore. I used to love opening loot boxes, however now even if u do get a skin shard you like, you are paying almost the same amount of rp to buy the skin in the first place to be able to get the essence to unlock it, maybe even more depending on your luck. Not to mention all the orange essence I lost from the skin shards I was saving from a previous purchase because very little mention of orange essence being nerfed was said.

RawHideBoneDawg11/14/2017, 6:12:52 PM4 votes

I'm not disenchanting any of my skins till they reverse the nerf on OE. At the current amount you get from a disenchant is not worth it by any means.

And in my opinion; making it more likely for you to acquire skins from chests doesn't justify for the nerf. It's too severe for what you've done to compensate it.

Please reverse the nerf on orange essence or do the math on how many skins you need to disenchant to permanently upgrade to one of your favorite skins in your loot.....

ModAcademy Kayn11/14/2017, 10:24:47 AM4 votes

The question needs to be asked though. Do we buy Lootboxes for skins, or do we buy them for the Orange essence? The Value of getting a skin shard from Chest has not changed, only the Orange Essence has. So are you buying lootboxes to get Orange essence to unlock skins, or are you buying chests to get shards so you can get a skin?

At some point, simply buying the skin becomes a cheaper option than trying to get orange essence from lootboxes, so the primary idea is probably that we buy Lootboxes for the skin shards, and the orange essence we get from unwanted skin shards aren't relative to the price of the product, since they are a by-product.

So the question is, do we weigh a Chest's value based on the Shard/loot we unlock or on the Loot + it's potential orange essence should we receive unsatisfactory loot? Spending 5 dollars to get a chance to get a 20 dollar skin is a profitable deal, especially when you don't need to buy chests either. So what is the Value of a Chest to determine it's price/worth for it's content?

Xurreal11/14/2017, 5:59:03 PM2 votes

Then what am I going to spend my RP on?

Nope sorry, you're telling me not to give Riot my money, and it's my choice to do so. Not everyone feels that way. Me and particular, I just want to support the game. So riot take my money.

I don't have the champions for the skins that I want to buy and I will earn those in time. For now, until they come out with a new Evelynn skin, I'm buying loot boxes. At least I can get skin shards that I might want to hold onto for when the time comes.

Also, thanks for freeing up my name. It really meant a lot to me.