Zoe Support

S0kaX··3 votes·3,355 views

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KagureNai3 votes

It can be legit if played correctly. If a Zoe Support keeps trying to land a sleep in the fog of war, she won't help her ADC and will be obnoxious at hell. In short, she'll be useless. And her Q can be countered if you place yourself behing the minion wave.

However, Zoe's spells are forcing a positionning. The ADC can take advantage of that.

All in all, good Zoe will wreck the bot lane as a Support. Bad ones will be useless and feed their asses off if you have the knowledge to play against her. Depends on your confidence of the Champion's mastery.

Hi lm Zoe2 votes

You mean Zoe adc?

Boulderox1 votes

i had a game vs one as Draven with item 3095. And complained when i took 80% of her health with an AA... A ZOE complaining about 1 attack dealing shit tons of damage....

you can do whatever you desire within reason, but zoe imo is a cancer and should be deleted.

theChibiTina3 votes

At least Zoe doesn't chunk you for 80% of your health with Q alone. Especially not with 1 item. She would have to also land her E and both of those are skill shots. You basically just had to hit Q and right click with Draven. Can we please just stop with the Zoe needs to be deleted nonsense. They already said they're looking into modifying her to hopefully make her less frustrating to fight. Personally I'd rather fight a Zoe than a Zed or Yasuo or a list I could go through of champs that I find more annoying to face than Zoe.

Boulderox1 votes

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At least Zoe doesn't chunk you for 80% of your health with Q alone. Especially not with 1 item. She would have to also land her E and both of those are skill shots. You basically just had to hit Q and right click with Draven. Can we please just stop with the Zoe needs to be deleted nonsense. They already said they're looking into modifying her to hopefully make her less frustrating to fight. Personally I'd rather fight a Zoe than a Zed or Yasuo or a list I could go through of champs that I find more annoying to face than Zoe.

yea, the problem now is she can miss every ability, but because she has W, passive, ignite, and electrocute she can 100-0 you this is pre electrocute nerfs but still. https://youtu.be/QoFp9oJdeQk?t=565

And Idk how you can say you would rather face a zoe over zed/yasuo when zoe can do all her shenanigans from fog of war or at least far away enough youc an barely see her, at least yasuo and zed have to be within sight range to do their shenanigans.

Oh look sleepy bubble from fog, oh fucking joy... wall hop, Q... so interactive... Oh look, i bet he had all the time to react.... https://youtu.be/Rne29ANmhJU?t=82

people don't like being bursted with little to no reaction, and zoe CAN do that, fundamentally that is wrong, same with Rengar, i hate that too but i can say rengar marks who he is closest, isn't much, but you know what is coming...

theChibiTina2 votes

Ignite and electrocute are both things outside her kit that need to be nerfed and not this lower damage by 40% and cooldown by 50% nonsense. All they did with that one was lower the burst and increase damage over time. As for her W, I have said to many chats that if they change anything it should be that since it is the most overloaded thing in her kit. As far as fog of war goes, I tend to ward a lot anyway. If there's a Zoe in my game and I'm near an area that happens to not be warded, I keep an eye open for a random sleepy bubble so I can dodge it seeing as I can see it coming over the wall. As for that video, I've seen that clip repeatedly. imaqtpie didn't play that well there either. She got a redemption proc and if he had managed to get the forth shot of before redemption had gone off then she would have died to. Not only that but he was two levels behind and had only doran's ring, stormrazor, and ninja tabi. Ninja tabi wouldn't have done much against Zoe and doran's ring is just a starter item. So the only thing he really had that was helpful was stormrazor.

Edit: She's a burst mage though. Zed can also burst you with little to know reaction. Shaco and Talon. Evelyn if she doesn't W you first then you won't know she's coming. So pretty much most assassins and some mages, but because she's a mage and assassins are stronger than mages right now, she gets all the drama for it.

Boulderox2 votes

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Ignite and electrocute are both things outside her kit that need to be nerfed and not this lower damage by 40% and cooldown by 50% nonsense. All they did with that one was lower the burst and increase damage over time. As for her W, I have said to many chats that if they change anything it should be that since it is the most overloaded thing in her kit. As far as fog of war goes, I tend to ward a lot anyway. If there's a Zoe in my game and I'm near an area that happens to not be warded, I keep an eye open for a random sleepy bubble so I can dodge it seeing as I can see it coming over the wall. As for that video, I've seen that clip repeatedly. imaqtpie didn't play that well there either. She got a redemption proc and if he had managed to get the forth shot of before redemption had gone off then she would have died to. Not only that but he was two levels behind and had only doran's ring, stormrazor, and ninja tabi. Ninja tabi wouldn't have done much against Zoe and doran's ring is just a starter item. So the only thing he really had that was helpful was stormrazor.

Edit: She's a burst mage though. Zed can also burst you with little to know reaction. Shaco and Talon. Evelyn if she doesn't W you first then you won't know she's coming. So pretty much most assassins and some mages, but because she's a mage and assassins are stronger than mages right now, she gets all the drama for it.

i do agree that her W is a major concern at the moment, because of how her passive works, it makes it such a powerful ability ON TOP of the free summoner/item active she gets, it is bonkers.

Also saying keystones are outside of the kit, of course they are, but she has the ability to use 3 now nerfed keystones, celerity, electrocute, and sudden impact. It feeds into her already packed kit, and should be taken into account with any champion, as the keystones are a vital thing to accentuating a champions strengths.

And yes, zed is a burst assassin, but he doesn't have a hard CC, i think that is the main problem, Zoe is a burst champion that can lock you down with CC, zed can slow you 20-40% which isn't anything to sneeze at, but isn't on the level of power a stun/sleep/suppression, whatever flavor you want to call it. And people don't like being bursted without being able to move, or use abilites/summs, all while punishing opponents for using Their own summoners, it is a bad mix of things, burst, cc, and punishing you for using summs.

theChibiTina2 votes

Thank you. This is what I look for. Viable feedback, not just she is annoying to deal with or she has kill potential without her combo. No one ever seems to mention why or how it can be fixed. They just don't want to deal with her and hence she should "be deleted." These reasons are exactly why I don't understand why they removed the pool on her E instead of reworking her W. Veigar can lock down champions and burst them down, but he can't punish people for using summoners. Plus Veigar is easier to play imo. Then there's LeBlanc who the main source of her damage is point and click. If they changed her W or made it less overloaded, she would be way healthier and easier to balance. Maybe they could make it so it's an active ability on a cooldown that gives the movement speed and damage bubbles. I used to think they should do it the other way where they remove the MS and damage bubbles, but your comment made me rethink this and decide maybe it should be the other way around. Or make it so she can only get actives from her minions and not from enemies while still removing the damage bubbles passive (debatable on MS passive).

Arcade Lulu1 votes

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HéntaiSénpai1 votes

I've done it. It's really annoying. Any mage with CC and/or damage can support. Look at brand/lux/fiddlesticks/Morgana. My roommate took Ahri support and we got first tower at 7 mins in a ranked game xD it works it you're decent on the champion

Doge20201 votes

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I've done it. It's really annoying. Any mage with CC and/or damage can support. Look at brand/lux/fiddlesticks/Morgana. My roommate took Ahri support and we got first tower at 7 mins in a ranked game xD it works it you're decent on the champion

I pulled off nasus supp once. I think I maxed out my e, I did feed and got zero kills but I got my lane fed and we carried easily.

Leyruh1 votes
KagureNai2 votes
Rathar Dashing1 votes

It's fun, but they keep making it weaker and worse.

It was super fun when you could max her E first because of the scaling %reset, but now it just feels bad.

BigBenClockTower1 votes

Zoe support works with the right mindset. If this community has its way with her kit, it's all she'll be good for.

It does take a solid lane partner however to fully capitalize on her lockdown potential, and a halfway competent enemy lane will bowl over her with little trouble (everything she can use is hard countered by walking sideways and staying behind minions, aka simple common sense laning strategies).

Definitely an advanced choice for a bot lane, since it's very easy to mess up and become useless.

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