Riot, now that Crit ADCs are back..

Ars Arcánum·3/11/2019, 1:45:33 AM·73 votes·18,251 views

When are Quinn and Swain going to receive reverts to the nerfs they got for being played in the bot lane when traditional ADCs were at their weakest?

Quinn: Quinn received QoL changes/buffs in Patch 8.6 after being assessed as too weak due to multiple factors (nerfs to her standard runes and general itemization). These changes were great, as they traded upfront power for scaling power, since Riot was trying to move her away from an assassin build, and made her good but not overbearing.

Swain: Swain was buffed in 8.9, giving him increased mana and mana regen, allowing him to use his abilities more before running out of mana of course.

Then everything changed when the 8.11 patch attacked. Crit wasn't optimal, and standard marksmen had their base stats nerfed. Quinn doesn't need to always build Crit, and old item 3095 was a good first buy on her. Swain can hold his own in the bot lane vs far weaker marksmen, so their play rates rose there. This led Riot to practically gut Swain's ultimate damage through his AP ratios, and balance Quinn (who has been a top laner since her inception) as if she were an ADC, lowering her passive damage, base armor, base AD, and AD scaling.

Now if they can get some power back, like Quinn's armor and AD scaling and a higher AP ratio for Swain they'd be decent champions again.

Fun fact: If Quinn is changed in Patch 9.6, this will be the 5th consecutive year she was changed on a .6 patch.

69 Comments

Eedat3/11/2019, 1:53:36 AM53 votes

Quinn and Swain weren't nerfed because of bot lane. IIRC Quinn was damn near 55% win rate top lane and Swain was dominating Mid and Top

DeusVult3/11/2019, 6:20:42 AM17 votes

And since Crit ADCs are back in action, when are we going to see reverts for the massive buffs that Vayne received when crit ADC were seen as weak??

Youre Outta Luxx3/11/2019, 1:51:31 PM13 votes

I find it interesting when someone picks Quinn in game and your entire team says " GG trash top, useless champ, someone dodge" but when buffs are asked everyone goes "please no, 0 counter play, broken champ"

ChrisBrownze3/11/2019, 3:39:20 AM10 votes

Or maybe they just revert these terrible crit changes that alllow ADCs to melt anything instantly.

ProfDrDeath3/11/2019, 7:24:48 AM5 votes

I wouldn't be opposed to Quinn buffs, personally, but a direct revert would not be the way to go (imo). Whether we mains like it or not, she is quite obnoxious to face in top lane, so any buffs should preferably target later stages of the game.

My preferred buff would actually be to give Behind Enemy Lines (R) a passive that adds 0/0.5/1 seconds (rank 1/2/3) to W's AS/MS buff duration. Or even 0.5/1/1.5 seconds. That buff would not strengthen her burst pattern, but make her a bit better in sustained combat.

Z3Sleeper3/11/2019, 4:58:20 AM5 votes

NOPE.

Also Swain is still damn near top tier in mid lane right now. (53% wr mid and 52% wr top)

Clone Is Friend3/11/2019, 8:17:57 AM4 votes

now that adc are back maybe we can bring assassins and tanks back too? assassins cant really 1shot adc's if they didnt get bunch of free kills from doing risky plays and some champions cant 1shot at all anymore (shaco) due to every adc having armor (ga) and shields (phantom dancer and shielding supports) and very good kite (fleet footwork and enchanter supports). there is not much assassins can do lategame. they can go 1 for 1 with a ga and just be dead weight after that. there is no real way for assassins to kill adc in a teamfight with adc's summoners and items being up. only way adc die at the moment is mages with their assassin like burst from a long range and bruisers with that conq healing and infinite abilities.

Daddy ReTaric3/11/2019, 1:55:28 AM4 votes

Quinn could have her AD and armor back. Seriously she isn't doing so great right now.

The Skáld3/11/2019, 8:57:43 AM3 votes

And nearly all ADCs have been buffed on AD ratios, but after revert, they didn't get nerfed. Weirdo, huh

Lovelle3/11/2019, 10:17:23 PM3 votes

Does Quinn really need any buffs right now?

OtterlyLost3/11/2019, 3:18:46 PM2 votes

Is Quinn going to be the new Shaco? Sure, her play rate is small but she's got a 52% winrate. She seems fine. The best buff I'd like to see them give her is maybe more MR per level so she could lane midlane instead of top lane. That's really it.

As for Swain, I also think he's fine. He's not over tuned or undertuned and in the right hands with the right comp, he's absurd.

And as someone else pointed out, neither of them were nerfed solely for their performance bot lane. .-. Quinn was an extremely dominate pick in all lanes; she was due for a nerf. As for Swain, he was pretty strong in multiple lanes as well and the only nerf they made didn't even address what was making him strong in bot lane. They nerfed his ult and left his extreme synergy with CC unchanged.