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Evelynn is worthless.

Halodjin Tyr··5 votes·1,590 views

I have over a million mastery as eve, years of Jungle experience I've been gold a few times, and I've now perma lost from silver 1 to silver 5, I'm almost bronze. Nobody in this ello has the talent to work with evelynn, they don't understand the team work required in the early game, nor understand the positioning/timing required and ONLY I can see and understand that timing, she is too hard to work with to be an effective Jungler. the way I warn my opponent and have to linger for serveral seconds is too confusing for my top laners/mid laners, and without a support to help them make up that time It's not happening. Evelynn my Damage output is designed to be Lower in the early game then everybody elses, despite that I'm an assassin I'm not even invisible in this time.

you somehow pretend to back that it up under the thought that Charm is too powerful however its no differen't then an irellia stun or a Voli throw if anything its harder to pull off then every body elses stuns because I have to Take hits as a squishy champion as I walk through Minions to aim and shoot my, heck trynd has better CC control then this charm just because it allows him to engage between his dash/chicken. my point is because I'm designed to Just be a CC who runs away, or a distraction that takes down cooldowns players who arn't diamond and up are able to take advantage of this. and why should they, Why should I be so worthless when you compare me with real champions like Nocturne.

it was already hard enough for me to keep up with enemy jungles in experience, and lanes, now it's virtually impossible.

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KindredAndWolf5 votes

I quit the game because of the Eve rework. Riot (tencent) doesnt give a fuck about you and laughs everytime some idiot picks her in a ranked game.

The real Eve was deleted. The Character “Evelynn” was reworked right into the trash can.

They removed her hybrid scaling, hyperscaling damage, and initial D like movement speed all in exchange For ger tits to go up a cup size.

Ive hated Riot(tencent) ever since. They made it very clear they didnt care about making a functional champion at all. Instead they didnt even bother to hide their laziness and told us (the eve mains) that they reworked her for their percieved “thematic fantasy”.

Nah they straight Poppy”d her and changed her class from diver to assassin similar to how they changed poppy from an assassin to a tank. Fuck everyone responsible for the Eve rework

VoraciousX1 votes

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I quit the game because of the Eve rework. Riot (tencent) doesnt give a fuck about you and laughs everytime some idiot picks her in a ranked game.

The real Eve was deleted. The Character “Evelynn” was reworked right into the trash can.

They removed her hybrid scaling, hyperscaling damage, and initial D like movement speed all in exchange For ger tits to go up a cup size.

Ive hated Riot(tencent) ever since. They made it very clear they didnt care about making a functional champion at all. Instead they didnt even bother to hide their laziness and told us (the eve mains) that they reworked her for their percieved “thematic fantasy”.

Nah they straight Poppy”d her and changed her class from diver to assassin similar to how they changed poppy from an assassin to a tank. Fuck everyone responsible for the Eve rework

I hate the Eve rework as well. I was an avid complainer about their idea to give her tentacles and such, but honestly, visually I don't mind her, and I LOVE Shadow Evelynn, but gameplay wise they ruined her. I missed her versatility. But she was always designed to be an assassin. I just don't like how they did it(2 seconds is RIDICULOUS, and having no AD scaling means she can't use duskblade, so she's not a good assassin, because only AD assassins are really in a good spot, outside of Leblanc. Not to mention there are no AP assassin items anymore. Ludens was reworked to be a pure mage item that everyone buys, and it's lost like 30 AP, 10% movement speed, AND lowered the damage on the proc).

PopcornBunni1 votes

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I hate the Eve rework as well. I was an avid complainer about their idea to give her tentacles and such, but honestly, visually I don't mind her, and I LOVE Shadow Evelynn, but gameplay wise they ruined her. I missed her versatility. But she was always designed to be an assassin. I just don't like how they did it(2 seconds is RIDICULOUS, and having no AD scaling means she can't use duskblade, so she's not a good assassin, because only AD assassins are really in a good spot, outside of Leblanc. Not to mention there are no AP assassin items anymore. Ludens was reworked to be a pure mage item that everyone buys, and it's lost like 30 AP, 10% movement speed, AND lowered the damage on the proc).

Don't forget her pathing went to shit with the lowered base movement speed and removal of W to get between camps.

The new Ult is good, and while I don't like the new Q, it's an understandable way to make her more focused on burst damage than sustain damage which would push her into the diver/skirmisher direction.

Pushing E down to just one on-hit effect and removing all AD ratios though is just awful.

At the very least, E should deal its "flat" damage portion as a percentage of AD/AP, and the %health portion as just AP. As well, have the normal E apply its damage over the course of two strikes that each deal on-hit effects, and have the empowered E deal its damage as three.

It wouldn't be QUITE the same as getting a huge AS steroid to tear through targets, but three on-hits is what would happen using the move with a single followup attack before dipping off.

Her pathing is another issue that could be tackled a few different ways-- improved movement speed when unseen, a movement speed steroid after casting Q, or my preference -- when moving to a monster marked by W, Evelynn gains a movement speed boost. This would put her clear closer to pre rework while limiting its abuse cases against enemy champions. Hell, it would even make for a unique skill expression to use it on a monster behind an enemy to close the gap at the cost of being able to cc that enemy.

Final change I'd want is the first cast of Q to not interrupt other actions or movement commands. It would facilitate a faster burst combo of E->Q, but the rest would just be that little bit smoother gameplay for Eve players.

VoraciousX1 votes

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Don't forget her pathing went to shit with the lowered base movement speed and removal of W to get between camps.

The new Ult is good, and while I don't like the new Q, it's an understandable way to make her more focused on burst damage than sustain damage which would push her into the diver/skirmisher direction.

Pushing E down to just one on-hit effect and removing all AD ratios though is just awful.

At the very least, E should deal its "flat" damage portion as a percentage of AD/AP, and the %health portion as just AP. As well, have the normal E apply its damage over the course of two strikes that each deal on-hit effects, and have the empowered E deal its damage as three.

It wouldn't be QUITE the same as getting a huge AS steroid to tear through targets, but three on-hits is what would happen using the move with a single followup attack before dipping off.

Her pathing is another issue that could be tackled a few different ways-- improved movement speed when unseen, a movement speed steroid after casting Q, or my preference -- when moving to a monster marked by W, Evelynn gains a movement speed boost. This would put her clear closer to pre rework while limiting its abuse cases against enemy champions. Hell, it would even make for a unique skill expression to use it on a monster behind an enemy to close the gap at the cost of being able to cc that enemy.

Final change I'd want is the first cast of Q to not interrupt other actions or movement commands. It would facilitate a faster burst combo of E->Q, but the rest would just be that little bit smoother gameplay for Eve players.

Her W is the only thing I DON'T like tbh. I miss her old W so much because it allowed you to get into position much easier. I also don't like the removal of hybrid ratios AND the attack speed boost is missed a lot tbh. Those three things is what allowed her to be built so versatilely. Her W cooktime is far too long when put in danger(meaning she can't properly defend herself IF someone gets on top of her without wasting her ult to retreat). They just removed so much from old Evelynn that it's hard to WANT to play her considering how much more feast or famine she is, or rather, famine then maybe feast if you don't famine too much.

Halodjin Tyr3 votes

Thank you! I agree entirely!

Talinis3 votes

The real reason why any and all AP junglers are garbage right now, is because riot gave EVERY AD champion +9 base AD and +9 armor and also gave them base damage compensation on abilities, while ALL AP got only +SCALING HEALTH or half the scaling hp and 5 ARMOR only.

ALL AD CHAMPIONS got red/yellow rune compensation while AP got only yellow. Riot's response was that the lose of blues (SCALING MR RUNES) that everyone used made up for it.

Number 1. SCALING means it's really only worth shit, mid to late, and does not make up for the FLAT pen and AP that people took early game, meaning ALL AP got weaker early.

Number 2. The jungle doesn't give a shit about the MR rune because they are the same as they were before, meaning all AP's just lost major power early in the jungle.

Riot needs to give ALL AP champions +9 AD since all AP need to use multiple autos early game as their abilities are way too weak to kill a camp on their own. This would give them some dueling as well as camp clearing power back.

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

so if you already know ahead of time

  1. your teammates aren't going to assist you because they don't know how
  2. you've demoted 4 divisions

why are you still playing Evelynn? just pick a different champion until you get higher up.

Halodjin Tyr2 votes

Mostly because I don't like riots design/art staff enough to really enjoy the other champions, for example nid is awesome but the art for the cat form is terrible, Not a big fan of cats in general to be honest, or dogs, or space aliens I just want a Humanoid champion that doesn't look like shit, so I play a lot of Irelia/yi/eve I'd play kayne but I hate the filth that comes out of his mouth. they just keep missing the mark. to be honest I wouldn't even play eve anymore if it wasn't for the habit of maining her before the rework, I hate everything that comes out of her mouth these days too. riots sense of humor is about as exciting as Days of our lives. I rally behind one champion the way people rally behind most sport teams. and that brings about another real problem propbably the tipping point to why I'll probably quit is the New championship system where they get to see who you play and ban them, whats going to start happening is the 5 players are going to Pick a lane and ban the top 5 champions that one laner plays and Gang beat that lane.

Azadethe2 votes

This I agree with. Evelynn is NOT a Silver Jungler. She's barely a Gold Jungler. She's more of a Plat jungler, because that's where laners begin to cover junglers and work as a cohesive unit.

I mean..... Evelynn can even slide down tiers in Gold.

If she's played "selectively" (vs the right teams) she might get 50% in Silver by instilling panic in opposing teams with her KDA. But she's probably the worst champ for Silver jungler where games snowball so fast you have no chance to snowball anyone before they feed.

Basically reworking what you're saying. I agree.

TheMinionLeader1 votes

LMFAO.

Halodjin Tyr1 votes

thank you, thats what I was trying to convey unsuccessfully that is 100% my complaint. thank you for your translation.

PopcornBunni1 votes

You don't need to warn your opponent at all

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DODGEORLOSE1 votes

It's not Riot's fault you're bad http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=sunset

Halodjin Tyr3 votes

... you've lost more games as eve then you've won this patch as well.

DODGEORLOSE1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Halodjinn Tyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jntcOIKU,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-05-27T19:39:30.381+0000)

... you've lost more games as eve then you've won this patch as well.

a) that's not me b) look at the winrate on the champ lol

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