Thoughts on Yorick?

The Blue Man·May 7, 2017·4 votes·1,011 views

Perfectly balanced, sleeper op? weak?

I'm having such a hard time evaluating the state of Yorick right now. Is he only viable because people still don't understand how to play against him? So in other words, is he a cheese pick?

18 Comments

Wind WhistlerMay 7, 20171 votes

Oppressive as fuck in lane early game, useless outside of it.

He's pretty much exactly what people said about Old Yorick, except now it's actually true.

Warlord ScrapMay 7, 20173 votes

Hes the ultimate split pusher. Outside of that hes pointless. Hes rarely picked even in streams ive only seen him once in a phreak game. Never picked in pros. Has yet to receive a single skin. But ive pulled some impressive wins with him that we shoulda lost. Im low elo though.

Wind WhistlerMay 7, 20171 votes

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Hes the ultimate split pusher. Outside of that hes pointless. Hes rarely picked even in streams ive only seen him once in a phreak game. Never picked in pros. Has yet to receive a single skin. But ive pulled some impressive wins with him that we shoulda lost. Im low elo though.

That greatly upsets me. I don't know why they felt the need to turn Yorick into a generic splitpusher. He was so much more than that before. I miss him.

Warlord ScrapMay 7, 20171 votes

Ive mained him since day 1 but original yorick was a monster on releas and got gutted. Hes sorta like camilles turning out to be. He was gutted but the mains had ungodly win rates on him.

Wind WhistlerMay 7, 20171 votes

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Ive mained him since day 1 but original yorick was a monster on releas and got gutted. Hes sorta like camilles turning out to be. He was gutted but the mains had ungodly win rates on him.

Lol. They may have nerfed the fuck out of him back then, but looking back at the times when I used to play him, it surely wasn't enough. The same goes for Urgot currently. The reason the few Yorick mains there were had ridiculous winrates on him was because they could use him to their fullest potential. If more people mained them, they would be gutted AGAIN. But they didn't, so everyone thought they were weak, and eventually they got removed.

Warlord ScrapMay 7, 20171 votes

Well i think some of that goes for any low playrate champ. Mains have the advantage of being a main as well as most people dont understand how to play against him.

DragonSheaMay 7, 20171 votes

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Oppressive as fuck in lane early game, useless outside of it.

He's pretty much exactly what people said about Old Yorick, except now it's actually true.

True that.

Wind WhistlerMay 7, 20172 votes

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True that.

Glad I'm not the only person who gave enough of a shit to find out for myself what was and wasn't true about champions like Yorick.

Critmaster GarenMay 7, 20171 votes

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Oppressive as fuck in lane early game, useless outside of it.

He's pretty much exactly what people said about Old Yorick, except now it's actually true.

old yorick could point and click ghouls on you for constant ranged poke and healing, since his abilities had quite decent range. especially his w and e.

current yorick is situationally strong dependent if he can land his e to aggro ghouls on you, and trap you in his w.

he has decent enough counterplay for his opponent to allow him to be a duelling beast with defined windows of power (having 4 graves ready and both w and e cooldown available).

Wind WhistlerMay 7, 20171 votes

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old yorick could point and click ghouls on you for constant ranged poke and healing, since his abilities had quite decent range. especially his w and e.

current yorick is situationally strong dependent if he can land his e to aggro ghouls on you, and trap you in his w.

he has decent enough counterplay for his opponent to allow him to be a duelling beast with defined windows of power (having 4 graves ready and both w and e cooldown available).

And then you could simply run away from his ghouls, making him waste 80% of his spells. That, combined with his mana issues, made him a lot less oppressive in lane than people thought. Also, his E and W only made up around 40% of his damage, maybe even less. If you wanted to do real damage, you'd have to get up close to them. Also, whenever he uses E for sustain, that pushes the lane, leaving him open for ganks. He HAS to push the lane in order to get more health.

If the new Yorick lands his W on you, then he can easily land his E. All he has to do is summon ghouls at that point, and then you're fucked, or almost fucked, and have to recall unless you want to risk him getting a kill off of you. Also, he's not as good at dueling as he used to be. Not late game, at least. Yorick was almost unstoppable late game.

Critmaster GarenMay 7, 20171 votes

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And then you could simply run away from his ghouls, making him waste 80% of his spells. That, combined with his mana issues, made him a lot less oppressive in lane than people thought.

because it made him complete shit.

this was only after they nerfed yoricks ghoul movement speed. before that, they definitely chased your ass down. the same nerf that dumpstered him. no surprise, that a garbage champion who literally got olafd for being a brick in lane was less "opressive".

the old yorick didnt have abilites you could play around. he was either complete garbage like in the time before his rework, or he was incredibly overbearing because he spammed unavoidable damage on you while healing himself.

i played the old yorick, and i can tell you he never needed to move into melee range of you to slowly poke you down. he just needed to hit you with the aoe slow/damage on his w, point and click damage you with his e and let the ghouls deal more damage to you. he could repeat this every coupl seconds.

the new yorick is fine. the fact that his e makes his ghouls more unreliable and depends on his ability to land the skillshot vs. his opponents to dodge the skillshot, combined with the fact that he cant have his ghouls up nonstop, allowed them to make those ghouls equally strong.

If the new Yorick lands his W on you,

point in case. the cast animation for his new w is slow enough even for low mobility champions to walk out of it before getting caught, when they react immediately.

Wind WhistlerMay 8, 20171 votes

No- Not because it made him complete shit. If you ran up to him and tried to 1v1, you'd still get your ass kicked, and late game, once you reached full build, people were gonna have a lot harder of a time running away from you. Not to mention his damage and tankiness got WAY higher as the game progressed.

So yeah, they hurt his laning phase a lot- I actually noticed it was rather poor, but after that's done, if you've managed to get enough farm, you could really wreck the enemy team with him. The same goes for Galio, too, although to a lesser extent. Plus, if you were really good with Galio, you could win lane anyway and contribute even more past the laning phase.

Also, it's important to note that the new Yorick has A LOT less synergy with his ghouls now. They don't heal him, they don't speed him up, and they don't slow enemies down. They also don't make him tankier. So, even with ghouls now, the new Yorick is STILL weaker than he used to be.

One more thing- His W is binary as fuck. You even said it yourself. It's either it misses and it's useless, or it hits and the opponent is completely fucked. It's all or nothing.

FireDrizzleMay 7, 20171 votes

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Perfectly balanced, sleeper op? weak?

I'm having such a hard time evaluating the state of Yorick right now. Is he only viable because people still don't understand how to play against him? So in other words, is he a cheese pick?

I would say so, he has no lategame.

IGotScuttleCrabsMay 7, 20171 votes

Strong in low elo. Outside of that IDK. I usually go: item 3078 Full tank or item 3025 item 3071 into full tank and he does some surprising damage. Grasp of the Undying was probably named after him and it works so well lol. He's got strong sustain between that and his Q. His big downside is mobility. You have to really know where your opposite is going for your W/E but you can also use those in a way that forces the enemy to take one or the other. Late game you can either play a great split pusher or a decent tank that waits for the enemy to engage so you can then land your W/E easier and punish them for it.

SujirenMay 7, 20171 votes

Your playing him wrong, if you think he has no lategame, just go black cleaver into gauntlet, into more tanky stats, and generally build him like a juggernaut with steraks and so on, his role in teamfight is not diving but peeling with his w and also his damage is insane when he has his ghouls up, so its pretty important to set them up before the teamfight.

MicbranMay 7, 20171 votes

He's fine. If they buff him, he'll end up like kassadin, too strong and annoying.

DragonSheaMay 7, 20171 votes

He needs better ghoul summoning because he lacks that even he leaves his lane.

DoktorKaiserMay 8, 20171 votes

He would be a good splitpusher if turret didnt fucking focus his minions down first and if maiden didnt die from 4 tower shots. Right now he can only hope that he wins lane and snowballs, which he does well, otherwise he is trash.