anyone misss when...

l MrD l·Sep 8, 2018·8 votes·2,756 views

you had a real support on your team like soraka janna lulu or something ? i love being saved by a clutch shield rather than having a brand spam stuff for extra damage ... i know the support shield meta was annoying but it denied this abundance of damage we had and thats why i truly loved the shield meta .... you had youre support style supports you had a few tanks and a couple of carries ... and that was the general meta but now we have everyone building damage :( .... i just wanna be able to play a viable support without getting blown up by burning flames or poison ivy wanna be :(

11 Comments

wildfox99Sep 8, 20183 votes

ADC tanking teamfights better than tanks while melting people faster than assassins?

no thanks that was the most cancer meta ever

anyway i don't mind if enchanter supports are viable again as long as they don't become shield bots that delete from the game anyone who isn't an ADC/tank/artillery mage

JoeAnarchySep 8, 20182 votes

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ADC tanking teamfights better than tanks while melting people faster than assassins?

no thanks that was the most cancer meta ever

anyway i don't mind if enchanter supports are viable again as long as they don't become shield bots that delete from the game anyone who isn't an ADC/tank/artillery mage

except ADC base stats all got nerfed in 8.11, so that wont happen anymore. also ardent censor has had multiple nerfs. so they can rebuff enchanters..

wildfox99Sep 8, 20182 votes

actually they got nerfed pre 6 and buffed post 6,their burst got nerfed through items

the problem is that when enchanters are in meta they are a pain to deal with unless you are a tank/ADC/artillery mage,literally any champion from any other role gets hard countered by supports like lulu or janna at the point that they can't be played when they are in meta

there is literally nothing you can do as melee/low range champion against a lulu that point click polymorph you for 2.25 sec,gives a second HP bar to your target with her point click instant shield/ult and gives him an AA damage boost

you can't outplay those champions by any means so you just can't play against them (again,when they are in meta),and as long as it doesnt'get fixed making their kits healthier i don't want to see them in meta again

DuskDaUmbreonSep 8, 20182 votes

The problem is that those "zero-counterplay supports" end up being the only counterplay to a lot of those melees they hard-counter.

When Talon runs at an ADC, the support either peels Talon off or the ADC dies. Same if it's a Xin, or Voli, or Udyr, or LB, or Katarina, or just about any of the rest of that roster.

If you make the supports have counterplay for those champions, then the support and ADC feel shit on because the support has to land their less-reliable abilities to actually save the ADC, while said bruiser/assassin just runs at them and can't really miss anything. So all of them need to be given real counterplay at the same time.

wildfox99Sep 8, 20181 votes

while i agree some assassins lacks counterplay there are also many assassins that give enough counterplay and in most of the cases you can avoid getting killed by them with a good positioning and/or proper build and/or your team help and/or a proper play (ofc when they are overfed they os you,like any other champ)

this doesn't happen with the mentioned supports,they just stick to their ADC/APC and peel it,nothing that you can do about it

LTK KoRoSep 8, 20183 votes

i don't want to be cockblocked by another braindead lulu/janna and then watch as their adc is going 2 vs 5 pentakill

As long as enchanters can't fail their shields/peel tools they should be kept weak. The only manageable enchanter is Nami tbh, due to her Q and R and lack of shield. But rest of enchanters are pure mess, and they shouldn't be strong unless they'll have some skill expression. There's no skill in clicking shield on someone

boricCentaur1Sep 8, 20182 votes

If there was a item that countered shields the ardent censer meta would of been alot more fun.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 8, 20182 votes

I'd just rather any support that doesn't exist for pretty much just damage. Sona and Blitz may be pretty high damage, but their damage isn't why you pick them. They're "Support first, damage second", as opposed to Fiddle/Veigar/Annie/Zyra/Brand, who are "Damage first, support second".