Now that the new 
is for AD, that kind of screws it over a little in my opinion.
While Guardian Angel on tanks was kind of stupid, giving it to AD champions isn't much better, again, in my opinion. Shouldn't Marksman and champions like 
make a tradeoff? Like, "if you want a revive/second life your price is you deal a little less damage."
Just my two cents.
Bladerunner77774 votesThe tradeoff to GA is that the gold efficiency on the stats are trash, and the passive is like a 5 min cooldown.
There doesn't need to be any more
AirKingNeo2 votesDo people not realize 40 AD and 30 Armor is complete garbage?
Troll for Trump3 votesThere's supposed to be class defensive items for everything, that provide offense and defense.
Assassins: 
Mages: New 
, 
Juggernauts: 
ADCs: 
new
The issue is that the items often end up being abused by someone in another class. It is "diverse," but often ends up causing gameplay problems
underscores2225 votesI'm not sure I would identify frozen mallet as an ADC defensive item. Seems more fitting for juggernauts or divers.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesfunny things is ap main cry about new GA despite have item more broken than old with their new
Velzard of Koz2 votesThe experimental Veil got nerfed.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesstill broken... its a spell shield almost always on for pick who shouldn't take spell. U don't expose with ap champ (exept some).
Velzard of Koz3 votesWell, in the end, I do agree that the tool is unnecesary for AP carry champs. I think it should be activable and only for engaging tanks - so I would remove both veil for mages and edge for assasins.
NineTailedMystic1 votesWe don't want that new Banshee's. It's not going to do anything good for the game.
Critmaster Garen1 votesThere's supposed to be class defensive items for everything, that provide offense and defense.
Assassins:
The issue is that the items often end up being abused by someone in another class. It is "diverse," but often ends up causing gameplay problems
a) is not an adc item, but a bruiser item
b) all the champions you listed (except marksmen) are melee champions. the additional defense on their damage items is the tradoff for the auto attack range they lack over adc.
ranged champions in general have a massive advantage in positioning to be effective they get over melee champions. so melee champions need additional defense to deal with the fact that theyre taking damage and being kited without having any effect themselves while that happens.
and the new banshees is a horrible idea for the same reason. mages and marksmen are supposed to be squishy and susceptible to being caught out of position and bursted as a tradeoff to their ranged damage and utility threats.
giving ranged champions damage items with failsaves against screwing up is ridiculous.
its not like melees get an item that teleports us on top of adc when we get kited for too long. but marksmen apparantly get failsaves when screwing up and being out of position apparantly.
Troll for Trump1 votesa) yeah, mb b) assassins are supposed to always be squishy (otherwise you get tank ekko and tank fizz, which riot acknowledge as toxic in general). Mages are generally ranged.
Agree with the other points though.
Everyone keeps saying how assassins are still pulling the same sht as they did before, but they aren't.
Assassins will be out of the meta for a while probably after the mid-year changes. ADCs will suffer a little bit too.
kirbyzama2 votesYou me like how ap champs have to make a trade off on damage to get hourglass? wait it has ap and cd? Nvm. Okay tongue and cheek sass aside. Seriously, why does everyone find the idea of a dedicated defense item for ad champs. Ap have hourglass and will get banshee's. Tanks are tanks and assassin's have edge. Adc's and fighters have qss which is cheap so anyone can and will build it if they need it and sell it when they go for full build without effecting the build overall. So there is steraks which was nerfed cause adc's used it and lifesteal which isn't much of a defensive stat as its easily out paced by most damage sources. In truth looking at lifesteal and saying its "the adc hourglass" is like saying mages should have hourglass cause they get defense stats like health and mr from their items. These are most of the arguments I have heard and my two cents on them.
underscores2221 votesI don't have a problem with an AD/Armor item. GA used to be the "I'm dying before I can do damage, so I'll get this defensive thing to keep me alive and do less damage but not be dead" item - it didn't care who you were or what you were doing. AP mid having problems with zed? GA can help. AP mid having problems with Kass? GA can help. Anyone having problems with burst? GA can help. ADC get snagged by urgot? GA can help.
Now only ADs can really benefit from building it, so people who want the passive, but aren't AD, are kinda sad.
BakedLotion1 votesYou me like how ap champs have to make a trade off on damage to get hourglass? wait it has ap and cd? Nvm. Okay tongue and cheek sass aside. Seriously, why does everyone find the idea of a dedicated defense item for ad champs. Ap have hourglass and will get banshee's. Tanks are tanks and assassin's have edge. Adc's and fighters have qss which is cheap so anyone can and will build it if they need it and sell it when they go for full build without effecting the build overall. So there is steraks which was nerfed cause adc's used it and lifesteal which isn't much of a defensive stat as its easily out paced by most damage sources. In truth looking at lifesteal and saying its "the adc hourglass" is like saying mages should have hourglass cause they get defense stats like health and mr from their items. These are most of the arguments I have heard and my two cents on them.
Except zhonyas is much less powerful, and 70 ap is shit. You are making a big tradeoff for it. It has a terrible buildpath with bad components, and you sacrifice a morello/lich bane/ludens rush for 70 ap. AP is already at an all time low, so you want as much of it as you can get.
AD champs have maw/steraks/merc scim/GA . All of which can be activated under CC, gives instant shields and durability/steroids, has zero downsides, good build paths, and saves your ass at the same time. And all of them except GA doesn't make you useless for 2.5 secs in stasis. And GA heals you.
Merc scimitar has one of the highest AD available in any item. Zhonyas has the lowest for an AP carry item I'd rather have a movespeed steroid and an instant cleanse with high ass AD/lifesteal than stasis.
kirbyzama1 votesYes hourglass has worse stats than most ap items but so does new GA. It has the same trade off where you lose damage for survivability except Hourglass is far more slot efficient than new GA late game. Also I addressed why qss isn't exclusive for ad. The component with the effect anyone can buy it without effecting their build much and steraks is literally like 40% gold effcient. Its objectively terrible on its own and even with the effect active the gold value is still insignificant vs what you can get for the gold. Maw is good but its shield is out scale super hard by most mages and also only good against mages while Zyonyas and GA are generalist.
Mages also get to choose when they stasis so they can blow their load activate then wait for cds while most time when ga is popped they camp you while your team has to contest your corpse down a man (all on a higher cd). Whats more AP items have much better access to general def stats than adcs and are getting banshee's veil as ap exclusive as well. And finally riot already said in their internal tests that having an ap ga only lead to mages building zyonyas and ignoring it. Everyone undervalues Zhonyas active way too much. If Merc Scim was truly an "equivalent" def item arm guard would have the stasis active like qss has the cleanse so anyone could afford it.
6Sfool2 votesChamps who buy GA are still vulnerable to magic damage, plus they lose out on overall damage if they buy it. It's terrible with slot efficiency, and in many cases you would have not died in the first place had you had a better item.
Sadistic Veigar2 votesat least zac/zilean/anivia will never build this shit again
PrinceOfStorms1 votesSo?
Marksmen need to be weaker, not stronger ffs.
Geshultz1 votesWell to be fair the revive is on a 5 minute cooldown and has same issues as zhonyas but 2.5x the cooldown of zhonyas. it also is loosing all its mr and 30 armor and gaining 40 ad which still is a loss in overall damage but is still better then normal. On other hand when comparing 40 ad and 30 armor and revive for 2.4k gold. Its still a decent defensive buy against Diving teams. However on other hand marksmen still make trade off in damage in same way mages make trade off for zhonyas less ad then main offensives items at 80/75 ad compared to 40 ad. Similar to zhonyas 70 ability power which is 30 less then Morello's/luden's encho or death's caps 30% bonus ability power and 120 ability power.
Blakiepug1 votesThis is how I feel as well.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes"if you want a revive/second life your price is you deal a little less damage."
That's the point... but np. Btw it will easier to assassin them...
Critmaster Garen1 votesmarksmen get to itemize without tradeoffs these days.
they can drain tank bruisers and other sustained damage threats with large amounts of lifesteal, get shields and second lives so they can fuck up and walk out of position get bursted and live, and they get to stack 30% cdr into an auto attack crit build and become bursty casters while being sustained damage threats...
all without sacrificing damage in their builds for the additional fail saves.
however they will constantly complain and demand other champions to make tradeoffs.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesExactly. I don't get how so many people can ignore this on going bias from riot towards ADCs. They have a rough time for 2 months and INSTANTLY half the game gets changed to make life for adcs better or "marksmen". Against decent opponents currently it's nearly impossible to kill a not 0/10 adc. All those shields from jannas,passive resistance by windspeaker, redemption, locket, ardent etc. is so hard to get through and now they get a personalized GA. I bet it will be steraks/maw all over again in a few weeks after the midseason changes. Marksmen are finally unkillable and we are back at the "boosted botlane loses game" meta.
