RIOT, you gutted Akali and nerfed Irelia, why is Yasuo still untouched?

King13·Feb 23, 2019·82 votes·21,355 views

lets look at Yasuo's kit

his passive gives double crit chance and a SCALING shield for moving his Q is pretty balanced except for cool downs but thats just Yasuo his W is just a better Xin Zhao ultimate, Xin's ultimate blocks all projectiles within a certain distance from him and only blocks the damage for him. Yas's W doesn't block projectiles, it destroys them completely. So ulti's from Miss Fortune or Lucian gets completely destroy and anyone behind that wall is completely fine. It even blocks cc. his E lets him dash around lane with a 2 second cool down, he can't dash to the same minion twice for a certain amount of time but the player doesn't even have to keep track of who they've dashed to, the game does it for them. his ult lets him ignore 50% armor and gives his crit chances bonus armor pen.

You took away akali's healing on her Q and l took away her turret invis on her W, you pretty much fucked her while Yasuo is still untouched.

150 Comments

GreenKnightFeb 23, 201918 votes

He JUST got nerfed.

letsfeedtogetherFeb 23, 20199 votes

haha. ok. and the - 5 ms to irelia was a nerf 2

GreenKnightFeb 23, 20196 votes

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haha. ok. and the - 5 ms to irelia was a nerf 2

Attack damage down by 3 points, sure. But his critical damage from Q is down by 20%, and it's not that small of an amount.

letsfeedtogetherFeb 23, 201912 votes

the problem is, its not the nerf he needed. what he need is his shield removed from the game. just like the -5ms was

GreenKnightFeb 23, 20194 votes

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the problem is, its not the nerf he needed. what he need is his shield removed from the game. just like the -5ms was

Shield? Or windwall? Both are annoying, but they can be played around.

letsfeedtogetherFeb 23, 201911 votes

1 i have no problem facing a yasuo, but he is overturned. his shield is just unbalanced and windwall has no counter play but ok

GreenKnightFeb 23, 20193 votes

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1 i have no problem facing a yasuo, but he is overturned. his shield is just unbalanced and windwall has no counter play but ok

I think he's annoying, but not broken or unbalanced. Cancerous? Most certainly. But not OP.

KentaToxicFeb 24, 20192 votes

Why are you spamming the feed? You play a bunch of no brain Kayle or course yasuo doesn't seem like that much of a problem to you. You just point click everything.

GreenKnightFeb 24, 20192 votes

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Why are you spamming the feed? You play a bunch of no brain Kayle or course yasuo doesn't seem like that much of a problem to you. You just point click everything.

Dude, i main(ed) Morgana. I get usually get destroyed by him. I play Kayle now, because it's my last goodbye to her character.

BadYasuoPlayerFeb 24, 20196 votes

This is a personal attack and just tells everyone that you're losing the discussion because you can't come up with valid arguments anymore.

5StackUltOneShotFeb 24, 20195 votes

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windwall has no counter play but ok

I hate Yasuo but this is a completely bronze statement

letsfeedtogetherFeb 24, 20192 votes

Really? Tell me plz how can you counter yasuo ult with lets say mf ult when he windwall on her ult? Plz tell me.

BadYasuoPlayerFeb 24, 20196 votes

Just wait it out, wait for Yasuo to use it, keep track of his cooldowns and just use it when his windwall is on cooldown. It's really not that hard.

letsfeedtogetherFeb 24, 20192 votes

now thats my friend. a bronze answer, its not a counter, its "wait until he uses it" thats still not a way to COUNTER THE ABILITY HER SELF

HateDaddyFeb 24, 20191 votes

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now thats my friend. a bronze answer, its not a counter, its "wait until he uses it" thats still not a way to COUNTER THE ABILITY HER SELF

That applies to every match up in the game. You wait for certain cooldowns or bait them out in order to obtain favorable trades. Yasuo’s windwall is no different. To suggest there’s no playing around his windwall is a pretty silly statement.

There’s no doubt that it’s annoying and that it’s unreasonable that it blocks ultimates but Riot has made it clear that they don’t want spells having inconsistent applications. In other words they don’t want it blocking some projectiles but not others, because that is annoying.

I’m of the opinion that he probably doesn’t need a nerf, he’s just excelling at stomping low-elo because that’s what his kit is good for. He’s very strong early game, and low elo players hate accepting that they have to forfeit a lead early. Playing against him requires that you manage your cooldowns well, as well as using your mana well. These are things low elo players don’t typically do. And he is an AD mid laner designed to have answers for ranged mid laners, or should be no surprise that he excels for squishy mid laners.

He is still outperformed late game by most mid lane mages simply because his mobility isn’t really that great outside of lane phase and he becomes reliant on his team comp, where as mages function as a cornerstone for a strong team comp. In fact, if you look at his winrate as the game progresses, it dips tremendously once the game reaches 25-30 minutes, and drops even lower as the game continues. So the best thing you do vs Yasuo is survive him and outscale him, that’s what the statistics suggest.

letsfeedtogetherFeb 24, 20192 votes

no no no. you do not understand. i did not ask you how to wait out the cd. i know this already iam not an idiot, i asked you HOW DO I COUNTER YASUO W WHEN HE USES IN ON MF ULT

Spicy RiceFeb 24, 20193 votes

I don't know if this is a troll question or not, but i'll answer it on the off chance you really don't understand.

The simple answer is you don't. You can't counter it if he uses it when you ult as MF, but to be honest, it's on you. You chose to ult, knowing his ww was up, and doing so is simply bad.

It's bad in the same way as if you fired an ashe arrow at someone with banshee's veil up, in that your expectation, was for a miracle to happen, and getting mad when it doesn't isn't exactly the sign of a good player.

And to be completely honest, it's not your job as an adc to bait out windwall, its your team's job, in the same way it's not the supports job to take out a 9k hp Cho. Not saying that you can't just that if that's what you are focusing on doing, you aren't doing your team a favor

ZephyrDrakeFeb 24, 20197 votes

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the problem is, its not the nerf he needed. what he need is his shield removed from the game. just like the -5ms was

Ok.. are you willing to have his damage massively buffed then?

letsfeedtogetherFeb 24, 20193 votes

Why is sayung its not what he needed means he need more damage? Remove his shield.

Tim From WorkFeb 24, 20194 votes

He’s saying to remove shield you’re gonna have to add power to Yasuo’s offensive ability considering his shield is insanely important for him to be able to trade/lane at all. Now I hate yasuo too don’t get me wrong but a more reasonable change imo would be to scrap his double crit, idk what additional changes would need to be made to him but this would allow them to smooth out his power curve cause currently a good yasuo doesn’t have that weak of a lane for how strong he gets with two items(even his current shiv powerspike seems a little too strong)

youngdragoFeb 24, 20191 votes

People need to understand that double crit keeps Yasuo Balanced. Riot uses it to force yasuo into crit builds. If we took it out he would need to be buffed because he’s basically a adc. All his stats are adc stats which is why his shield is also needed. The only ability riot could MAYBE and prob shouldn’t change is his w.

Tim From WorkFeb 25, 20191 votes

Obviously he’d need more rebalancing but again his power curve throughout a game doesn’t make any sense and needs to be tuned, most players can agree that he feels frustrating to play against and even if you can beat him and there is counterplay present in his kit, it’s still really frustrating to have someone’s power spike so high when their lane phase isn’t all that terrible, maybe if he was pretty much relegated to counterpick much like Kassadin it would be fine but currently his matchups aren’t that bad

VolatileAkaliFeb 24, 20193 votes

Lmao he has enough damage already, nerfing his shield hard or completely removing it and then buffing his hp and hp regan shit could bring him back easily. He's not as EXTREMELY reliant on it as Akali with her healing.

Lostcauz707Feb 24, 20192 votes

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Ok.. are you willing to have his damage massively buffed then?

The problem is the abusive amount of mobility and lack of counterplay to windwall. Choose skill shot champs that need, skill...to play? Oh well, windwall counters everything they do. 1 ability can counter entire team comps for the entire game with no way around it except to focus a champ that thrives on coming in late to the party and synergizes with one of the most common (also uninterruptible) forms of CC in the game. Add in the fact it's a 0 cost and only cool down, not ultimate, oriented ability that can instantly break a siege if played right every 20 seconds. It's abusive and bottlenecks the creativity of team comps unless he eats a ban every game in low to mid tier solo queue. His whole kit is nutty. Inherent armor pen also means he can buy cheap, high proc weapons early and out scale until he needs more expensive items later.

IWindowXFeb 26, 20191 votes

Why would he need a buff?

Removing his shield would be a "Zero power nerf", and we all know that you actually get MORE nerfs when you get a zero power nerf.

He needs this because it is good for "Player frustration", but this champion needs some actually nerfs.

AtmosphereFeb 24, 201922 votes

That wasn't a nerf, it was putting him back to how he originally was. The Yasuo that existed prior to his 180% crit buff was still problematic. Reverting that buff is just setting him back to how he was prior.

GreenKnightFeb 24, 20192 votes

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That wasn't a nerf, it was putting him back to how he originally was. The Yasuo that existed prior to his 180% crit buff was still problematic. Reverting that buff is just setting him back to how he was prior.

Yeah, i forgot about that. My bad.

Mael JadeFeb 24, 20193 votes

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He JUST got nerfed.

It was a revert to an un-needed hotfix buff. And -3 base AD does barely anything, he is not a Sheen user where base AD matters and the Q change is completely negated by IE once again granting increased crit damage.

ÐavîdFeb 24, 201914 votes

I'm just gonna come out and start by saying I'm a dirty yas main and I'm def in enemy territory but read me out. Yasuo is not and never was at the same power level as akali or irelia at their peak. Akali's lane sustain before the Q nerfs literally made her capable of staying in lane till she hit 6 in all and I mean all matchups as long as the akali was competent and had the right runes/dshield, also the fact that she had 4 dashes and a 10 second invisibility aoe spell and she could assassinate any carry in one rotation provided she went at least even in lane is what made her unbearable. Irelia is a slightly different case, her trading was waaaay too safe when her W gave her 60% dmg reduction and dmg on top of it, her passive was also overloaded which I feel like everyone can agree with. Now to our favourite swordsman, Yasuo doesn't have the sustain or the safe trading, the only pseudo-sustain he has is that flowshield, every single melee fighter champ has to have some form of sustain to be playable in lane and flowshield is one of the easier ones to play arond. I know everyone in "lower elo" complains about his windwall but as a selfloathing yas otp I can tell u I'd take irelia or akalis pre nerf Ws over windwall any day, first of all its a 22~ second cd so it can be easily played around and once it's down Yasuo is extremely vulnerable to ranged chanps and to ganks, countless times I've wasted my W to block ahris Q only for her to all in me 10 seconds later and hit a guaranteed charm. Also when people complain about his mobility they need to understand that it's such a situational attribute. Akali or rivens mobility isn't dependant on anything which makes them difficult to gank. Yasuo's is very situational and i think we can all agree that he's much easier to gank or to catch out after a good trade than those other 2.

Tldr Yasuo is nowhere near as safe or reliable when ahead or especially when behind as Akali or Irelia were, his dmg is in line with other fighters of his class, Yi, Trynd, etc. His shield is literally the only form of sustain he has in lane as a melee champ. His windwall is a strong ability with a cooldown to match its power, and his mobility is much much more situational than Akali's or even Irelias (her q dash range is like 5 times longer than yas E).

Tldr is tldr Yas isn't broken you bronzies stop complaining, try playing vs a high elo otp of each of those champs and I promise you will see the light.

0opsRewindFeb 24, 20195 votes

you're right when ahead akali could full rotation an adc, however she had the longest ttk of any assassin. r1, q, walk out of passive ring, auto, e, e back, r2. While any other assassin, would just insta kill the adc. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

PsychoWhiteFeb 24, 20194 votes

Why is his Ult positioning him outside of tower range, gives him extra shield, which means around 600 shield at lvl 18? His Q knockup is longer than most CC's so if you manage to cc him while his tornado is about to hit you, he will still have time to Ult you after your cc on him wears off. Csing under tower is pretty much the best in any kit with 3 forms of dmg(AA, Q, E) in low cd. There are just some things about Yasuo that other champs don't get.

I would like to be rewarded if let's say I stun Yasuo with my Xeraths E or Azirs R as his tornado is about to hit me, but it never matters since he will Ult me after the cc on him wears off.

His WR is so good even with so many silvers irons and gold's playing him. He's just too overloaded. You Yasuo mains can't see it because you think he is hard to play and you are the chosen ones to be able to play him since he has 3 bars of difficulty in the champ details.

Think about Azir who is only played by mains and he's always been sub 46% winrate. Think about all the features removed from Azirs kit. Like 3 seconds off of the R duration. Yet Yasuo can't have .5 sec removed from his Q knockup that would reward players able to stun/root him while tornado is about to hit him.

I remember ulting a Yasuo with Gnar at the same time as his tornado hit me, I stunned him on the wall, yet he was still able to Ult me as he was spamming it and I got ulted after my stun on him wears off.

He's too safe, to easy to farm with, too powerful in all stages of the game, too easy to splitpush, no resources to care about so you can just stay in lane forever after Zeal. You just can't realise all the problems with him because you think you are a good skilled player and you blindly defend that when someone tells you that your champion is overloaded, unfun and unfair to play against. Believe me, I carried plat and even dia Yasuo mains on Odyssey harder than they could carry themselves because they couldn't even kite the monsters and they would die by Eing, that's the place where I could practice Yasuo and I was still better than most mains and even before that every game I played with Yasuo I would have a great time with farm and ability to 1v1, like a walk in the park. I wish Azir was as broken and had a barrier of money that prevented him from getting nerfed just like Yasuo is.

Just admit that Yasuo isn't getting gutted because Riot acknowledges they will lose a lot of money by balancing him. Nobody plays a champion that is balanced, think Xerath, he's a good champ, yet no one plays him because he's not broken. Ivern, Shyvanna, Skarner.

Yasuo will be kept unbalanced just to keep the money coming every time a skin is released, and one is coming soon. So enjoy your champ, dirty Yasuo main, you are only good on a champion because your money makes it so.

Prove me wrong on everything I said.

KentaToxicFeb 24, 20194 votes

"money barrier" I think you're absolutely right. Skillful champs like azir or ekko get Nerfed so hard you can't even really play them while yasuo is left alone.

ÐavîdFeb 24, 20191 votes

Ok, there's a lot to unpack here but I'll try my best, although I can already tell you're one of those ppl that will hate me and my champ no matter how reasonable I try to be, alas I will try regardless. His Q hitting you is entirely situational and if YOU get hit by it then it's your fault bud, his tornado is only up for 6 seconds and you can easily play your trades around that, it sounds like you're mostly complaining about him outplaying you which is understandble I've felt that way about other champs too. Now I noticed that you brought up azir a lot so I did some digging and I found out you're gold and have only been playing since s6, that's not me flaming you and please dont lie to us and say you have another main because no "high elo" player would use the odyssey game mode as a point of argument for game balance or skill level of an individual. You also seem oblivious to the fact that when azir was at his peak (S5 when you ddnt even play this game) he was the strongest, and I mean THE STRONGEST mid laner in league of legends. He stayed at that level for deceptively long because whenever he'd get nerfed ppl would stop playing him and think he wss finished, only for the few real azir players to stick with it and keep abusing his power, in s7 he was def gutted and I don't recommend you or anyone to play that champ in soloq for a while. The conspiracy that riot balances around sales is one that I wrestle with, they just released 2 skins for anivia and nunu which doesn't make sense if you're trying to target the biggest market, as a matter of fact I haven't seen paperback nunu or anivia yet and it's been what 3 days? However sometimes it is a little strange when Zoe is left completely unbalanced for patches on end, could it be to drive sales? But then wouldn't every champ be broken on release? Neeko was released a few months ago and never took off, she's barely played and riot haven't touched her because they think she's balanced, I assure you if they wanted sweet sweet $$$ they'd have buffed her dmgs by now. Also all the champs you say are balanced but arent played enough aren't that fun to play imo, skarner used to be strong so people played him out of necessity, ivern is currently top tier, these champs are played when they're meta and by the few otps they have, but when they're balanced they're not that fun to the avg player, the avg player wants to kill people and blow up the nexus and carry the team, and dont try to dispute that because we all know the most popular roles are mid and ad.

I also noticed you were saying things that I had already adressed in my og post (too safe,too strong, yadda yadda) but I doubt you read the whole thing with a clear mind, weak mental does that to people it's understandable, but I encourage you to go back and read it properly. The splitpish argument i loooooove because it's such a misconception, Yasuo is probably the worst fighter split pusher in the game. jax, trynd, riven, yi, udyr, kled, jayce... All these fighters have more escapes than Yasuo or do more dmg to towers than Yasuo (yas builds the least amount of dmg out of almost all fighters, his double crit helps vs champs and minions but vs towers its useless), so when he splits and gets collapsed on by 3 people it's a wrap for him, unless the 3 ppl are smol brain players or the yas has 4 items at 15 mins.

Tldr I'm prob wasting my time since this guy just blindly hates me which is understandable but I still gotta try.

P.s. get rekt gold skrub

KentaToxicFeb 24, 20193 votes

Yas get one kill and can two shot ppl. I want all other champs to be able to get one kill and two shot ppl since it's ok for him.

letsfeedtogetherFeb 23, 201912 votes

because a lot of people play him. if they nerf him its less skins that people buy :)

Irelia BotFeb 24, 20191 votes

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because a lot of people play him. if they nerf him its less skins that people buy :)

A lot of people were playign Irelia so where are the nerfs?

letsfeedtogetherFeb 24, 20192 votes

not even close to yasuo

rayzoFeb 24, 20195 votes

He literally just got nerfed. You're delusional.

ElewdFeb 24, 201916 votes

he got a hotfix half revereted from when IE was originally changed to not have crit.

BoilTheOilFeb 24, 20198 votes

3/4ths reverted

BârdFeb 25, 20192 votes

IE was gutted, Yasuo was buffed.

IE was reverted with slightly worse numbers, Yasuo was reverted with slightly better numbers.

Makes sense.

DakuunFeb 24, 20195 votes

A small damage reduction off his Q doesn't fix the problems with him.

rayzoFeb 25, 20191 votes

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he got a hotfix half revereted from when IE was originally changed to not have crit.

He's actually weaker than he was before the crit rework. IE now gives 225% extra damage on crits compared to the 250% before, additionally, shiv + raptor cloak now gives 90% crit instead of 100%. Not to mention conqueror takes longer to stack, doesn't stack on minions, and deals less true damage than before. And his ult lost the armor pen on non-crit attacks.

ElewdFeb 25, 20192 votes

my statement still stands and is still an accurate response to your "he just got nerfed" statement, he got a partial revert to a buff that was hotfixed onto him that he got within 24 hours of the IE change because yasuo's winrate dropped. I personally think the only thing that is overpowered on yasuo is his passive shield recharging way too quickly, if hes gonna have it, it shouldnt recharge between every single minion wave to make trading with him in lane feel like a waste of time. Reduce the rate his shield is up and i'd be somewhat okay with him. Personally i hate his playerbase and gimping a player by banning the most popular to ban champion is a good feeling.

rayzoFeb 25, 20191 votes

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Personally i hate his playerbase and gimping a player by banning the most popular to ban champion is a good feeling.

That's a pretty stupid reason by itself to ban a champion, not gonna lie. Yasuo is my cousin's favorite champion, and she's possibly the nicest League player I have the privilege of knowing. Just saying, don't assume the entire playerbase of a champion is bad just because you don't happen to like the champion yourself.

ElewdFeb 26, 20191 votes

im going to assume most all yasuo players are flamers until im proven otherwise, but so far i'd almost all of them flame or rage.

Abibyama IIFeb 23, 20192 votes

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GreenKnightFeb 23, 201930 votes

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God damn this place is useless

Go back to reddit then.

Abibyama IIFeb 23, 20193 votes

GreenKnightFeb 23, 201927 votes

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No

Great reasoning, really brings value to the discussion.