but Ekko gets away with -4 base AD. LOL
Shen's sustain already isn't that great even moreso if you're going to try to build some damage in place of a tank item to not get shit on in lane. But I understand though. Shen is clearly super oppressive and unfair to play against compared to the fair and balanced Ekko. Kappa.
they should give him back his healing on Q
Ekko got exactly the same treatment as Zed and Vayne :D
I still remember that silly AS nerf on Zed Or just light nerf-tap on Vaynes AD
And then Riot was "all fixed now" xD
It's because low bronzies complain that shens dmg is "op" even though you can completely negate all his dmg if you make sure not to step through THE GIANT FUCKING GLOWING BLUE LEASH. Shen's trades are so damned telegraphed already due to his reliance on getting his q through an enemy. So why the nerfs?
100% agreed fk ekko
Theyre nerfing him for pro play. You arent a pro, so of course you wont see him the way they are capable of using him.
-4 base AD makes a decent difference in damage over the course of several trinitiy procs
Implying Ekko isn't going anywhere but top lane at Worlds, where the AD nerf makes sense.
Also implying Shen at Worlds has been anything but dominant.
This is literally just Riot doing some balancing before Worlds begin, if you are upset or butthurt about it thats fine, just know why instead of these rage threads.
Every time I mention changes like -4 base AD being completely menial and in effect for about three minutes of actual gameplay when an Ekko might be edging his kill or critical damage with four whole AD (which really translates to like 2 or so effective damage after armor tho), I get told that they're very significant and actually affect balance a lot.
Like with Vayne, she lost 3 base AD or so, and I mentioned that maybe her problem is chunking for 12% HP, flat, on any champion, under any circumstance without any sort of cooldown while most every other champion has at least a cooldown for true damage. I was told that it definitely makes a difference; I suppose I don't have the ranked experience to pull on to really say, I just don't think it's the answer to the problem at hand.
Anyway, the problem with most of the FOTM hate train champs are that they scale too hard. They don't get punished for building a tank build because they don't lose much damage to their competition, by comparison, since most champions just don't scale as hard.
Ikr.
They are also nerfing Twitch only offensive ability (E)
Not saying the shen nerf was justified, but the -4 base ad is actually a lot because : he looses 4 damage on one auto, 8 damage on 2 autos. If he lands 20 autos at early levels (1-3) in a full on fight, he will loose 80 damage. 80 damage is a lot early game. -It affects his ability to snowball -It affects his ability to jungle (this the most)
To summarise- The ekko nerfs are not tiny by any means, they are quite significant for the top lane build. Are they big enough? Time will tell, but its definitly not a "lol" nerf. Dont know what riot were smoking when they decided to nerf shen.
Shen does so much damage while building tank rofl
Because ekko needs a rework not a nerf. It was just to appease the community that they are still trying to nerf a champion that has already been gutted.
-5 ad kayle and this 
cancer
Riot clearly playing favourites again. And oh look Lee sin buffs pog2thechamp
Let's not forget that Shen's base armor and HP are worse than an ordinary assassin (like zed).
