Multiple champions stealth nerfed.

Emerald Acid··81 votes·6,313 views

Shen, Akali, Kennen, and Zed are no longer Flippin' Ninjas, just regular boring ninjas. The hell is with that? How am I supposed to win with them now? Gangplank is also a lame normal pirate instead of a Mighty Pirate, and Ms. Fortune isn't a Pirate Hunter anymore; and she didn't even have anything to fall back on!

Useless now, the lot of 'em.

60 Comments

Fried Noob24 votes

Rito, plz. Kennen , Akali , Shen , and Zed need their flipping powers back.

Meep Man2 votes

Zed Zed has his flipping powers. Shen Shen used to, but he fell out of the spotlight. Akali Akali only has powers, they aren't so flipping. Kennen Kennen had flipping powers a long time ago, but then he fell out of the spotlight, Braum was added, and many more powerful initiators and mages were released.

Rew7112 votes

Don't forget: Talon (a stealth champion) was nerfed. Took some of his power, speed, and silence away. Kassadin (another) was mercilessly nerfed. His Q lost a silence. His W lost its initial buff. His E lost its value. And his R isn't worth it because of its time and Mana Value... Elise can't do much anymore. She's strong but not Master Yi strong... Evelynn literally, the hardest to sympathize with. She goes invisible but can be seen up close and in turrent range. Her power isn't bad but not very effective. Her ultimate doesn't seem to do the needed damage it could have.

Yasuo is almost where these guys are now. The only plus for him is his critical and windwall. MasterYi is the strongest assassin, because he's never been nerfed as bad as any other.

Vellich0r2 votes

XD, yi the strongest assassin? how so?

Rew7111 votes

His ultimates reload time is very short and gives a large boost in speed for movement and AS. And reduces time for other abilities. His Q allows for a huge amount of damage with no/small risk. His W allows for a nice heal. His E provides a nice bonus AD (active or not) A passive that gives two attacks...

Vellich0r2 votes

he also has a terrible early, mass mana problems, is vulnerable to counterjungling, is extremely weak to any hard CC, and is downright easy to beat. this compared to say, fizz. Fizz has utility, damage, is basically invulnerable, has very few weak matchups, can even jungle well. or zed who has no mana, great poke, great waveclear, massive damage, huge survivability, and very few weak matchups. or kat, who has infinite reset potential, massive AoE damage, safety etc. or talon who has absolute crap tons of AoE assassinating potential, stealth, waveclear, poke, great synergy with black cleaver. Or kha zix, who has poke, stealth, slows for days, ungodly damage, resets, etc. all can bring more to the table than a yi.

Rew7111 votes

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

Talon... I played a Kassadin against him once and lost so badly due to his silence. But instead of helping the situation by seeing if giving Kassadin back his silence, they take Talon's away. Fizz, has little counter play... unless your Galio, same goes for Kat. Galio's magic resist is very helpful. And his W is the best counter for Kat's ultimate.

So it just comes down to either luck or skill in matches. That's how I see it. Even in draft, it comes down to luck and skill. Like if you're going mid and someone choses Fizz for mid and you are like, I can go either Galio, Vladimir, Malzahar, or Swain to take this fish down. That to me says you just got a lucky break.

ReturnOfSamus1 votes

Did you even read the OP?

I think you just read the title and misinterpreted it.

Potato Doc9 votes

I have an idea! We give singed a ninja skin and then he can be a "flipping" ninja... or would volibear be better for that one? Eh just give it to em both

Poro Support13 votes

Pretty obvious that some of the people here have never read a tooltip.

Czarodziej12 votes

Wow, i'm suprised that so many ppl here didin't get this.

2serious2live

Interr0bang11 votes

Painful how many people dont even bother to read the OP

Ad Astra per Asp9 votes

Katarina Was the true ninja all along, she was so ninja even the other ninja's didn't know. And now she has stolen their tooltips and is the only ninja left in the game. What will we all do? I'm scared.

slippykitten9 votes

This is another example of a direction riot is going that i dont appreciate. They are removing, little by little, all these cool things that show how fun the team was. It seems like they are just starting to take themselves too seriously, and it is starting to hamper the fun a bit.

PRN5 votes

This is not a new thing. Riot has been doing that ever since season 3. Towards the end of season 3 they started to do awkward videos of "behind the scenes" where they would discuss how League came to be and how "unique" and "fresh" it is compared to the classic RPG world, then followed that statement up with how new Ryze's concept was because he's "not like your ordinary wizard with a beard". Yeah, totally no sarcasm in that video either.

Sadly though thats just how things are. The game has improved from what it used to be, but its a double-edged blade. The changes are both good and bad.

AbodyHUN6661 votes

I think we can safely assume that it was just a bug.

Jungle Lux God6 votes

I have a feeling that this might have done to reduce extraneous buffs out of the buff bar. The ninja's flipping ninja buffs and GP's and MF's respective pirate/pirate hunter buffs don't actually add anything to their core gameplay, and were just cool to have.

That said, I probably will miss the ninja buff on Kennen when I play him.

Auz the Ripper3 votes

What? Those buffs were essential to those champions' gameplay. Whenever the enemy looked at those champions' buff bar, they would see "this unit is a mighty pirate" or "this unit is a flippin' ninja" and the enemy would become Intimidated by that fact, causing them to make vital errors that allowed the buffed champions to get ahead.

Jungle Lux God4 votes

Assuming they saw the enemy ninja, weren't already intimidated by Gangplank's pirate manliness, or distracted by Miss Fortune's chest.

PRN2 votes

But those buffs did something! For every ninja on the team, the ninja would get 1 less HP. For example, if you played as akali and your friends picked shen and kennen, then you'd have -2 base hp.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

Chances are, that is still in the game, but it would be coded without a buff. I mean think about it, if the Flippin Ninja buff caused the health decrease, then wouldn't it be a debuff and not a buff?

MrBuffington5 votes

Oooooo, stealth-nerfed, not stealth champions (Eve, Kha, Rengo, Satan, etc) had their stealths nerfed.

I was confused :P

Audiomancy4 votes

"This unit is a flippin' ninja!"

Rawrful4 votes

WHAT?! I didn't even notice! How can I play Gangplank if he isn't a Mighty Pirate?!

Morthid3 votes

Yup now he's just some dude in a funny hat with a sword and gun who happens to like citrus.

PositiveNegative4 votes

Kennen main here. Bring back my flippin' powers! Being a doctor is not enough.

Vauren4 votes

What?? We don't have flippin' ninjas or Arr, Mighty Pirates anymore? D: Why RITO? WHHYYYYY??

AHeroNamedHawke4 votes

In this thread: Reading comprehension

Remlap12234 votes

WHAT! ARE YOU KIDDING ME RIOT? I could handle you nerfing my favorite champions. I could handle the blantant favoritism towards Lee Sin. I could handle you screwing up Janna's smexy splash art. But getting rid of the flippin ninjas and the mighty pirates? You fiends. I hope EA buys you.

Drukyul4 votes

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

AFK Push3 votes

I find this title misleading, because I can't tell if you are talking about lore change or nerfs to champs. If that is the case GP and MF have gotten buffs rather than nerfs, akali deserves some nerfs (besides I use these things called pink wards). Also, we don't need anymore stealth champions, because that mechanic is just too damn good on junglers, especially when it comes to pub stomping. We already have: Rengar, Kha'zix, Akali, Shaco, Evelyn, Teemo, Vayne, and Wukong. Every one of these forces the player to spend 100 gold just to not get a surprise all in.

TecToNiiC25 votes

You must be a lot of fun to hang out with

AFK Push3 votes

Oh, he was talking about those hidden passives. So does this mean that every one of these hidden passives like Plants vs. Zombies, Zyra and Sion, will be taken out?

skyfall6192 votes

wow this is proof that 90% of the earths population are dumb noodles.

Vertanium2 votes

Honestly I main all of the ninjas (except kennen don't like him, never will)and haven't noticed this. pretty sure riot wants to remove the nerf they got when you wanted to have a team of 4 ninjas

ReturnOfSamus2 votes

It's actually a buff because they will no longer lose 1 HP for having another one of those champs on the same team. :P

2000boxes1 votes

Talon is still strong akali is still strong and zed is still strong I don't see your point I can play talon extremely well and zed is even better Akali still has her burst in fact the change to her shroud gave her a good disengage and allow her to stick to her targets even better

Marthian17 votes

Guessing it's about the hidden passives they had.

AFK Push3 votes

Guessing it's about the hidden passives they had.

Yeah, they raped me too. The OP is a little unreadable, imo.

OreoRampage1 votes

Can you please tell me what this is in reference to? I'm greatly interested to read about what inspired this post. Thanks in advance.

Lapison3 votes

The post is in response to a tooltip that appears on ninjas (i.e. Shen, Akali, Zed, Kennen) that would give them a cosmetic buff called "Ninja". When moused over, the tooltip used to read "This unit is a flippin' Ninja!" Said buff also gives a hidden passive; if two or more champs on the same team have the "Ninja" buff, conservation of ninjutsu kicks in and each ninja gets -1 max health for every other ninja on the team. (Fun fact: it used to give -1 AD, but that actually had a huge effect on the game, so Riot changed it).

Apparently, Riot removed the "flippin" from the tooltip.

This is highly disappointing.

OreoRampage1 votes

After I asked I thought I had figured it out. Seems in their attempt to have LoL taken seriously --due to the increasing popularity that is its involvement in e-sports-- Riot is making it less entertaining. I've seen ornery posts about the declining lore and other aspects. It's it possible over the next several months League becomes more of a "serious" game and less of the fun and game it began as.

Thanks for the reply, and for being civil about it as well.

Darth Pixy Misa1 votes

The passives were poor anyways. It would be more fun if Flippin' ninja made ninjas lose 10% base hp if other ninjas are on the team, and do +10% damage to other ninjas.

What if more champs had hidden passives, or what if passives from facing a rival did more?

For instance VI: Vi's fustration makes her doubt her judgement, Vi loses 30 ms when running in the direction Jinx is in.

Lapison2 votes

It'd be cool, but those passives would tip the balance of the game pretty badly. The point is that these passives are meant to be fun jokes, and not things that should actually affect gameplay. Doing something like -30 MS is actually pretty harmful to Vi. She'd get locked out of any matchup with Jinx, and people would be dissuaded from playing more than one ninja on a team.

As I recall, Vi actually has a hidden passive with Jinx that gives +1 gold when killing (or assisting in killing) her, and vice versa. Note that it's a fun thing, not something that actually affects gameplay.

(Fun thing: Kha'Zix and Rengar actually have a really cool Easter egg that triggers if they're against each other in a match and certain conditions are fulfilled. Said Easter egg actually does quite a bit.)

FlaminMoe1 votes

This unit is no longer flippin'

RottedApples1 votes

I noticed this issue right away when i had some ninjas in my game

Acolyte of Steel1 votes

How am I supposed to play MissFortune Gangplank pirate lane now? I won't be mighty enough to tank for MF... :(

Rimora1 votes

Wait, they finally removed the -1 HP per extra team ninja?

Finally. That cost me so many deaths.

Vantooth1 votes

I wonder, is the part that if you play shen/kennen/akali in the same team they get -1 hp for each of them present (max -2)

Rebonack1 votes

First the loss of Arnold Sion voice, now the loss of ninjas and pirates?

Is Riot trying to suck all the fun out of this game?

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