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Argument on Guinsoo's Rageblade (and Phantom Hit in general)

RainXBlade·3/29/2019, 7:41:29 PM·26 votes·12,991 views

I get that is amazing on people like Yi, Kayle, Vayne, etc. But, this item is utterly ridiculous to build against. On people like Yi and Vayne who have built-in true damage, this makes their damage outputs almost impossible to counter. Vayne is also balanced around the fact that it takes 3 hits to proc her W. Reducing it to 2 hits completely breaks Vayne's design. Sated Devourer was taken out of the game in the first place and it was for many reasons: phantom hit was stupid to deal with and it was exclusive to junglers, and that it promoted an unhealthy playstyle for attack speed junglers which is to simply farm up till you get 30 stacks and spam the right-click button to win the game.

Even as a Yi main, I actually hate building Guinsoo's even if it drastically increases my damage output. I consider it a crutch item as without it, my damage is simply not enough to even remotely win 1v1's because of the power creep of this game

Overall, the Phantom Hit mechanic is a cool mechanic in the game, but it just completely breaks certain champions and makes them impossible to deal with. It's like with CertainlyT champs (except WW; WW is relatively tame and fair to play against): cool and wicked design, but not meant for the game due to the broken design of the champion itself. I feel like taking Guinsoo's out and not putting the mechanic back on any item should at least somewhat balance champs like Vayne and make them more fair to deal with.

53 Comments

Frosted Tips3/29/2019, 8:21:35 PM18 votes

Phantom Hits should have been removed after it broke Sated Devourer. It has only caused issues in the game and it is obviously not balancable with the current roster of champions. It is a crutch item because Riot has nerfed all the champions that abuse it, so that now they are forced to build it or they are useless.

Daddy Ants3/29/2019, 8:20:49 PM17 votes

I'd be in favor of Guinsoo's being removed IF

Vayne is NOT nerfed elsewhere
Kog'Maw, Varus are buffed to make non guinsoo's builds viable.

Hayaishi23/29/2019, 9:27:58 PM4 votes

The problem isn't rageblade.

Vayne and Yi are both BS without rageblade. because they are both statcheck.

Flavi Kang3/30/2019, 6:49:46 AM3 votes

Even as a Yi main, I actually hate building Guinsoo's even if it drastically increases my damage output. I consider it a crutch item as without it, my damage is simply not enough to even remotely win 1v1's because of the power creep of this game

This argument makes 0 sense. What you said can be used for other champs as well. You want to see how?

"Even as a Jax/Irelia main, I actually hate building Triforce even if it drastically increases my damage output. I consider it a crutch item as without it, my damage is simply not enough to even remotely win 1v1's because of the power creep of this game"

"Even as a Riven main, I actually hate building Deaths Dance even if it drastically increases my damage output and survivability. I consider it a crutch item as without it, my damage is simply not enough to even remotely win 1v1's because of the power creep of this game"

"Even as a yasuo main, I actually hate building Infinity Edge even if it drastically increases my damage output. I consider it a crutch item as without it, my damage is simply not enough to even remotely win 1v1's because of the power creep of this game"

I can keep going on. Atleast try to understand the concept of a "Core item" before writing these dumb walls of text.

Repeat after me : Guinsoo's is a core item for champions that deal damage mostly through on-hits. What do Kaisa/Kogmaw/Vayne/Yi do? They deal onhit damage, and guinsoos is a core item for them because it synergizes best with their abilities.

Vayne got buffed 4 times in a row. And now that she finally crossed the line after her last buff, the vayne mains are somehow trying to convince themselves (and everyone else) that it is guinsoo that makes her broken. I don't understand why people are suddenly pointing towards Guinsoo just because Vayne is strong. Imagine what would happen if Yasuo/Tryndamere suddenly become super strong, and their mains would start claiming "Our champion is strong because of Infinity Edge. Leave our champion alone and nerf IE instead. Its the item thats the problem. +25% damage per crit is too broken". All the adc mains would start whining on the boards and reddit, writing passionate walls of text.

Nerf vayne and leave the other Guinsoo users alone. And by nerf, I mean revert her last buff. Its not that hard.

Zane Zephyr3/29/2019, 8:27:53 PM1 votes

Vayne shredded tanks without rageblade so it wouldn't do anything. She would still be obnoxious without it. Same thing goes for yi as well. buy a bit more attack speed and you'll have mostly the same result.

AirKingNeo3/30/2019, 12:38:12 AM1 votes

But, this item is utterly ridiculous to build against.

Thornmail. Adaptive Helm.

Not very hard.

On people like Yi and Vayne who have built-in true damage, this makes their damage outputs almost impossible to counter.

Yi sucks and is melee. Never complain about a bad champion.

Vayne is overpowered. This isn't Rageblade's fault.