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Blink And You'll Miss It: Elder Drake Buff is Toxic To Gameplay

Wayward Fish·11/21/2019, 9:25:39 AM·110 votes·23,481 views

The original post is below in these quotes,but because this is at the top of the page I thought I'd use this for visibility: Riot saw what was happening and shipped a hotfix. Thanks everyone!

https://twitter.com/MarkYetter/status/1197621205601140736 https://twitter.com/MarkYetter/status/1197636316554383360

The clip shows it all.

In this game we had every drake that spawned. We had the baron. It didn't matter. Because the enemy team had the Elder Drake buff, they could walk up and one auto attack one shot any carry on our team thanks to the ridiculous threshold that offers no counter play. My jungler missed one smite on ONE dragon in the entire duration and the game is over.

Something needs tuning here.

ETA: Bugged? It's supposed to be from 20% and lower.

ETA: It seems to be that Cait can execute any champion regardless of their health with Elder Dragon Buff, it is popping up all over the forums. Please push it up so they fix this game breaking/altering bug.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/wGMzgbyO-gameplay-elder-dragon-execute-bug-with-tahm-kench https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/0xHmm5Gm-dragon-soul-execute

EDIT: Seems to be more than just Cait:

https://gfycat.com/agonizingshrillkronosaurus

95 Comments

KFCeytron11/21/2019, 9:44:01 AM77 votes

Nothing says "I only have 10 minutes left at this gaming cafe" like watching a champ with over 1800 health get executed at 1300.

The thigh guy11/21/2019, 9:46:36 AM76 votes

What do you mean? It’s working exactly as riot intended. They want league of duty to be a thing and not just a meme.

Taliban Zilean11/21/2019, 12:46:12 PM20 votes

I played warwick, was fed af, had full build ,got 4 drakes, elder spawned we werent able to get it. Once that shit is taken the whole existence of ww becomes 0. His passive, his heal, his tankyness, fking everything. This is the most toxic shit to be added in the game, and im not playing it unless its removed, even if it means to stop play it forever. P.s. A simple fix would be, only the champion who last hits the drake gets that buff. That way there is a counterplay in setting up a fight for it and decideing who gets it, AND you can focus that champion in fights. This way everyone has auto garen ult.

IMelchorI11/21/2019, 10:02:58 AM18 votes

that was not under 25% health. that was like 75% and it triggered?

SweedishGunner11/21/2019, 1:37:32 PM11 votes

Elder existing how it does right now is a mistake, bug or no bug. The whole game comes down to one single dragon take and that's it. Kinda insane.

sarii fox11/21/2019, 4:33:41 PM9 votes

Even execute at 20% health, it's the dumbest thing Riot has ever added to the game. It just ISN'T FUN FOR ANYBODY.

GigglesO11/21/2019, 6:59:55 PM7 votes

I mean she was missing 20% of her hp...

Riot

20% missing is new 0, GL!

The Savage Wagon11/21/2019, 9:13:04 PM6 votes

So after doing some research, it's not a bug. It's either spaghetti code or riot intentionally programmed it this way. Basically, here's the idea (I think):

If you were to take damage from any source, League stores that value and subtracts it from your health. If that damage were to take you below the execute threshold, then the game executes you with elder buff. Make sense? Okay, now we get into the real stuff.

If you were to enter execution threshold, for some reason, elder buff DOESN'T stop the execution. I healed my Sona after she got hit by a headshot by a Cait which dropped her below the execution threshold. The heal put her at 50 percent, but since the execution was already started, it didn't cancel.

As Sivir, if you pop your shield, it mitigates the damage, but Elder still tracks the damage and subtracts it from your health, which put the Sivir in execution range, so it executed her.

This may not be right or maybe it is a bug, but regardless, another execution in the game is bad enough, that fact that it takes no skill and can go in anyone's kit after they get 4 dragons is even worse. I find it hard to believe these issues weren't found in the PBE at all (or maybe they were and Riot just didn't care.)

Silent Reaper11/21/2019, 4:54:05 PM5 votes

Yeah Elder Dragon seems a bit too strong. I think 10% is fair, but 20% seems too much.

PRoxy oQ11/21/2019, 4:28:36 PM5 votes

It's a crap mechanic called we all pyke now bcs Rito thinking pro players are bad and don't know how to end the game, yet i like those late game decisions and team-fights/back doors this is just BS especially is yolo q. Elder drake and drakes as they are should not exist it should be gold/xp gain. To much focus on bot prio. Sides should be more even.

Tin Obliterates11/21/2019, 4:41:10 PM4 votes

"Pyke ult is annoying so let's just give it to every champ when they get elder!"

"Wow, great idea Jim, you deserve a raise!"

Even if this is a bug, I don't like this concept one bit.

Nielarken11/21/2019, 5:20:55 PM4 votes

got to make the game reasonable for those game cafes

CapxBear11/21/2019, 5:21:38 PM4 votes

I just spit coffee everywhere and now my lungs hurt from laughing. thanks OP

Ouriel11/21/2019, 6:47:31 PM4 votes

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The clip shows it all.

In this game we had every drake that spawned. We had the baron. It didn't matter. Because the enemy team had the Elder Drake buff, they could walk up and one auto attack one shot any carry on our team thanks to the ridiculous threshold that offers no counter play. My jungler missed one smite on ONE dragon in the entire duration and the game is over.

Something needs tuning here.

ETA: Bugged? It's supposed to be from 20% and lower.

ETA: It seems to be that Cait can execute any champion regardless of their health with Elder Dragon Buff, it is popping up all over the forums. Please push it up so they fix this game breaking/altering bug.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/wGMzgbyO-gameplay-elder-dragon-execute-bug-with-tahm-kench https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/0xHmm5Gm-dragon-soul-execute

EDIT: Seems to be more than just Cait:

https://gfycat.com/agonizingshrillkronosaurus

https://youtu.be/fa76oAJ0bhk

~4 minutes of Elder Dragon being somewhat broken and bugged. On top of all this, it does not allow for escaping opportunity, for example, Shaco could've escaped, while Viktor was deleted on 1477hp. Then when I fight Veigar as Xayah, I could've kill him, but the Elder Dragon proc decided that the fight would turn out differently, and that was a Xayah with full item build and 6+k gold in bag. Match history: https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/2316882282/22304608?tab=overview or https://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=ouriel

Remove this thing please.

NelsieLisnen11/21/2019, 3:19:20 PM3 votes

XDDD wtf WAS THAT? I thought elder executes when you are below 20% health. Rip season 10, hasn't even started yet

RyzeRework11/21/2019, 10:59:54 AM3 votes

Yeah I would post this in bug fourms probably not here

Akali is SO HOT11/21/2019, 6:25:28 PM2 votes

That's definitely a bug

ImTheJuggernauty11/21/2019, 4:10:05 PM2 votes

As long as elder execute exists, along with sanguine blade in its current state, and air dragon ultimate cooldown buffs, I don't want to play this game at all. It's sad too, because the terrain changes they've made from alcoves and drag changes are really cool, but this other BS is not.

Clapper of Asses11/21/2019, 8:16:02 PM2 votes

Bro whats the problem Just dodge the auto attack /s

Garen is adopted11/21/2019, 7:13:56 PM2 votes

cmon is not that bad, just 70% hp execute, could've been much worse.

Judgement Ring11/22/2019, 5:38:48 AM2 votes

Elder Drake execution is the dumbest thing they did this season, along with Sanguine Blade