Nerf QSS because it counters champions too hard. Meanwhile...

Dêcoy··4 votes·1,843 views

item 3123 This shit exists and is no where close getting nerfed.

It amazes me how Riot nerfed QSS because "Zed/Fiora/Fizz/etc is useless if you buy it", but then there is an item that makes my Raka useless and Riot doesn't care.

GOOD JOB RIOT!

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legionnaire993 votes

So it stops all healing? Or just 45%?

Dêcoy1 votes

"Grievous Wounds is a debuff that reduces all healing received by 40%. "

legionnaire993 votes

So she still heals. So how is that useless?

Dêcoy1 votes

For a champion whose main thing is to heal (including self healing as well), that item cuts her abillities in half. Imagine item that you can buy for 800g that will make Syndra's skill do 40% less damage. Or item for 800g that will make Nautilus' CC 40% shorter. How about item that you can buy for 800g that takes 40% of Malphite's armor? Or...just straight up item that makes ADCs AA 40% weaker.

Like that's how this item impact Soraka players. I get the idea behind the item, but it doesn't hit healing only - it hits champion in same way as previous QSS affected Zed, Fizz or Fiora. You basically buy an item that neutralizes what champion was meant to do and you take most of their power away from the champion.

legionnaire992 votes

There is something and it's free that lowers damage summoner 3

Also there more ways to outplay fiora fizz and Zeds damage. You can't outplay a raka hitting R can you?

Also at the ends of the day she isn't made useless zed and fizz was by qss.

Dêcoy1 votes

Hmmm...3s dmg reduction? Nice. I wish Grevious Wounds lasted 3 seconds and WASN'T REFRESHED WITH EVERY AA.

And yes, you can outplay her R. It's called Executioner's Calling. You may've heard about that little item.

legionnaire992 votes

No I mean completely nullify it like you could do with qss?

Dêcoy1 votes

Ok, let's see...

QSS hit Zed's R...hmm...Yeah, he has other abillities he can kill u with. Fizz straight up doesn't need R at all, he will Q u and use his W for 300% more damage.

Meanwhile Calling basically nerfs 3 out of 4 abillities Soraka has. Yeah, QSS hits Zed or Fizz harder than Calling hits Raka.

Prestige AkaIi1 votes

"Fizz straight up doesn't need R at all" Maybe back when QSS got rid of his R but atm he relies heavily on landing R in order to kill anyone.

Dêcoy1 votes

U sure? Because I keep seeing Fizz missing his ults and still having enough damage to kill 2-3 people easily.

Incarceration1 votes

lmao what world do you live in?

Prestige AkaIi1 votes

idk, depends on if he's fed or not I guess. Never seen a fizz 100-0 any champ unless he's used ult.

Kaioko2 votes

I didn't realize executioner's prevented all forms of healing good to know! I mean that's what QSS did and you're saying it's the same.

Can I complain about MR or Armor blocking part of my damage? Such an unfair mechanic.

Dêcoy1 votes

QSS = no Zed R for 1.3k g Calling = Raka's 3 out of her 4 abillities are being almost halved in power for 0.8k g

I would say there is a difference in how much QSS affected Zed and how Calling affects Raka.

Zen Ineth1 votes

iirc, Grievous Wounds only applies to -self- healing now, like Vlad's abilities, Mundo's ult, any ADC with lifesteal, etc.

Dêcoy1 votes

"Grievous Wounds is a debuff that reduces all healing received by 40%. "

Patch 6.9 change.

Zen Ineth1 votes

HM, interesting.

Well, Riot's stance on healing is "it's anti fun", but they put up with it for the sake of the playerbase. The least they can do is to offer a counter to healing so it doesn't get out of hand.

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

This wasn't a mundo thread?

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Wait. Where is the QSS nerf?

Clutch Thompson4 votes

I don't recall. Mid last season they maybe it strictly for CC and not debuffs. No longer removes zed, fizz, morde ults

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

I beleive OP was referring to the nerf that made QSS no longer remove Zed and Fizz's ult.

On another note, this item is probably why nobody takes cleanse

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Darn was hoping QSS was getting more nerfs :>

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

How would you like it nerfed, if I may ask?

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

I don't. I'm salty because Vayne. QSS is fine.

Dêcoy1 votes

^^ This

Clutch Thompson1 votes

That item is helpful in fighting late game ADCs with ridiculous life steal, mundo, aatrox, or dueling a yi.

Scenarios that would otherwise feel unfair without grievous wounds.

Dêcoy1 votes

It is, but same as QSS was neutralizing Zed as a champion, Calling neutralizes Raka as a champion. If "all" Zed is doing is killing stuff and u can buy item to make sure he doesn't kill you is unfair, then how fair is to have item 3 times cheaper to do same thing to Raka?

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Luckily for you, for whatever reason nobody ever buys it anyway.

Dêcoy1 votes

Actually people do buy it. They even rush it in lane.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

(Self-)Healers generally aren't that flashy.

Zed, Fiora and Fizz are.

Dêcoy1 votes

That means supports can be nerfed for no reason and getting hit in almost entire kit at once with one thing - same thing that Riot changed in other item? Sounds fair.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I never said it was a good reason. Honestly, I like playing Soraka (and I used to enjoy Swain).

Sadly, it seems to be what Riot is following nowadays.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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item 3123 This shit exists and is no where close getting nerfed.

It amazes me how Riot nerfed QSS because "Zed/Fiora/Fizz/etc is useless if you buy it", but then there is an item that makes my Raka useless and Riot doesn't care.

GOOD JOB RIOT!

Shut up. Soraka is still doing fine and being cancer, she doesn't need a buff, even an indirect one.

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